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Monday, July 13, 2020

Tennessee doctors: Make masks mandatory, enforce rules

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — A group of critical care physicians on Monday called on Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee to do more to stop the spread of the new coronavirus.

In a news conference, Dr. Aaron Milstone suggested the governor needs to do three things to bring Tennessee’s surging case numbers back down. First, he said, Lee needs to require people to wear masks in public.
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22 comments:

  1. Yea, we went under a state wide mask mandate at midnight last night. It will be treated as a trespassing offense if you go into a business without wearing one and refuse to put one on or leave when asked.
    Just more bullshit going into the election.
    JD

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    1. JD, I suspect that you are a Michigander. I live here, and have the same mandate that took place at 12:01 midnight last night. They are saying a misdemeanor and a 500$ fine.
      My wife and I went into a Dollar General store today, I had to rent a rug cleaning machine, and she picked up a few items. I reluctantly wore a mask, as did my wife. One customer had no mask, another one had his mask below his nose, and the two women cashiers were not wearing theirs, but one had hers on her head and the other one had it hanging from an ear.
      My wife asked me awhile ago, if we would have to wear masks from now on. I told her that I was done come cold weather. We all know it is not about viral control, but rather people control, anyway. And I refuse to continue to be controlled forever. I will suck it up for awhile, to avoid the fine, but only for a short time.

      Pigpen51

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    2. Nah Pigpen, I'm down along the Gulf Coast about 40 miles SW of New Orleans.
      JD

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  2. There is zero scientific or medical rationale behind wearing face diapers of compliance. I am a biochemist.

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  3. The first time I saw large numbers of people wearing masks was in Seoul in early 1965 while en route from Inchon to 1st Cavalry Division replacement company. I wondered what kind of outbreak they were having and if I should be worried. I learned that wearing masks had nothing to do with an outbreak, but was something Koreans did. Seeing the same thing in other Asian cities, I soon identified mask-wearing with dirty cities. Lest someone accuse me of racism, all Asian cities were dirty at that time. Mask-wearing in the US is a means by which governments say, "See? We're doing something," when in fact, they don't know any more than the citizens they are compelling to obey executive orders. The governments find "experts" who will produce numbers that agree with governmental decisions.

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  4. Relax Comrade, I'm protesting BLM, so its OK if I don't wear a mask!

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  5. I can’t wait until Wednesday November 4, 2020.....

    Covid-1984 will suddenly be cured.....never to reappear.

    Ed357

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  6. Stop testing, and voila! No new cases. Try this experiment" ask any random person or persons on the street to name a single entity who died from the chinkflu. I guarantee you will get deer-in-the-headlights looks.

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    1. Correct.
      Now ask them if they know anyone that lost their house, business, wife and/or kids, or killed themselves.

      I can.

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  7. Fatalities are still dropping, so the increase of cases being found (probably a result of doctors offices opening up and automatically testing their patients coming in) is a good thing. The threshold for herd immunity is being achieved.
    But the thrill of bending people to your will is a heady wine.

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  8. Just remember this following phrase: "I have a medical condition that prevents me from wearing a mask"
    In my case it is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I don't react well to tyrants telling me what to do. Ask me and I might. Order me to and I will respond with words Wirecutter is trying to cut down on on his site.

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  9. Goober or Whitmer requires "a face covering". Did you know that a brown paper grocery bag covers my face?

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  10. So if I go into a store and someone demands that I wear a mask, and I put on a burqa, would that be cultural appropriation?

    I'm seriously considering this, and then telling anyone who complains that I identify as a Muslima. (A good, pious Muslim woman who covers her face and hands.) Only thing is, here in East Massholia I'd probably be up on Hate Crime charges.

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  11. I am probably going to get plastered here for this.

    I have two older brothers who are medical doctors, one in family practice, one an ER Doc. They are both in their sixties and have been practicing medicine since the 1980s. Both have medical missionary experience in third world counties with a butt-load of communicable diseases that we just do not see here in the U.S. any more.

    I myself teach history at a small university in Kentucky. The administration shut down campus at Spring Break and we finished the semester on-line. We are going to crank back up with in-seat classes in Fall semester, so I asked my brothers, who I trust, "what do I need to do about Covid when we start up classes again?"

    Both of them (and I asked them on separate occasions) told me:

    1) This disease is real and they have both treated patients with it.
    2) It is highly communicable if you do not take precautions to prevent transmission.
    3) The best way to prevent transmission (and this is going to piss some of you guys off) is for people to wear face masks, and to use hand sanitizer/hand washing after every interaction with other people.
    4) #2 Brother added that if I could secure a supply of them, to get 3M model 9105 N95 cloth masks, as they do filter out Corona-size particles.
    5) These measures do NOT guarantee safety from getting the disease, but they do dramatically decrease the chance of infection.

    Take it as you will folks. My brothers are conservatives and deeply suspicious of the government, and this was their best advice to their beloved baby-brother, yours truly.

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    1. Do you teach at Berea? I spent a summer there as a teenager back in the ‘80s.

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    2. The average coronavirus size is ~125 nanometers, which is about 5 one millionth of an inch. Those puppies are going to swim through any N95 with room to spare.

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    3. Uchuck, they can be great guys and good doctors, yet still be expressing opinions far outside their area of expertise. Remember that the professional literature they are relying on to stay up to date is mostly written by asswipes like Fauci.

      Corona size particles are 0.125 nanometers. By definition, N95 masks filter down to 0.3 nanometers. Plus, they only work if the mask is fit-tested to each individual face, so naming a specific model number makes no sense.

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    4. Chadd, I don't teach at Berea. Given the delightful state of the cancel culture in this current day and age, I am not willing to refine it any further.

      Anonymous One and Two, here are some thoughts from people who are exactly in their area of expertise regarding the efficacy of N95 filtration on viruses:

      "The science of mask functionality gets really small, really fast. The unit of measurement here is microns — 1/1000th of a millimeter.

      The size-based argument against N95 laid out in this claim assumes mask filtering works something like water flowing through a net — particles in the water smaller than the net opening pass through, while larger items don’t.

      But the physics involved don’t work like that at all.

      The COVID-19 particle is indeed around 0.1 microns in size, but it is always bonded to something larger.

      "There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people," said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.

      The virus attaches to water droplets or aerosols (i.e. really small droplets) that are generated by breathing, talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological material and are all larger than 1 micron.

      "Breathing and talking generate particles around 1 micron in size, which will be collected by N95 respirator filters with very high efficiency," said Lisa Brosseau, a retired professor of environmental and occupational health sciences who spent her career researching respiratory protection.

      Health care precautions for COVID-19 are built around stopping the droplets, since "there’s not a lot of evidence for aerosol spread of COVID-19," said Patrick Remington, a former CDC epidemiologist and director of the Preventive Medicine Residency Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

      The N95 filter is indeed physically around the 0.3 micron size. But that doesn’t mean it can only stop particles larger than that. It works well for particles above that size, and actually snares particles below that size better than those at exactly the 0.3 level.

      "N95 have the worst filtration efficiency for particles around 0.3," Marr said. "If you’re smaller than that those are actually collected even better. It’s counterintuitive because masks do not work like sieving out larger particles. It’s not like pasta in a colander and small ones don’t get through."

      N95 masks actually have that name because they are 95% efficient at stopping particles in their least efficient particle size range — in this case those around 0.3 microns.

      Why do they work better for smaller ones? There are a number of factors at play, but here are two main ones noted by experts:

      The first is something called "Brownian motion," the name given to a physical phenomenon in which particles smaller than 0.3 microns move in an erratic, zig-zagging kind of motion. This motion greatly increases the chance they will be snared by the mask fibers.

      The second is the N95 mask itself uses electrostatic absorption, meaning particles are drawn to the fiber and trapped, instead of just passing through.

      "Although these particles are smaller than the pores, they can be pulled over by the charged fibers and get stuck," said Professor Jiaxing Huang, a materials scientist at Northwestern University working to develop a new type of medical face mask. "When the charges are dissipated during usage or storage, the capability of stopping virus-sized particles diminishes. This is the main reason of not recommending the reuse of N95 masks."

      I don't know about you fellers, but I am going to wear a mask, an N95 or N99 if I can get them. It may be a false comfort. I may look silly wearing one. People might call me a sheep. That's fine. I'd rather look like a fool for whistling while going past the graveyard that be the one getting whistled at. --Uchuck

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    5. Whoops, missed part of the reply from Anonymous #2: My brother #2 specified the 9105 because it did give better fit options than other N95 masks he had tried out. The geometry of the elastic bands give a tighter cheek seal and the nose bridge has a bendable strip that allows the user to "crimp" it into a seal around the arch of the nose.

      Anyhow, as I noted in the original post, it is up to each person as to what they will and will not accept as the straight skinny in these uncertain times. Take it for what it is worth and make your own decisions. I'm not crusading for mandatory masking, and I'm certainly not going to have an hysterical meltdown at the sight of an unmasked face.

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    6. Wish there was a "Like" tab, LIKE!

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  12. looks like some doctors are looking to get popped.

    You ain't gonna be protected medical fuckers.

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  13. I posted this pic on TBP today but here it is again:

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/d5c1631d4b6570e0c5e336b10ebd0ec9/f360ad1fba6ac869-19/s640x960/be4e396aef754dec9c27185c287354c518adac61.jpg

    Also check the latest covid updates showing the BS about it, vaccines, masks etc here:

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest

    Masks have very little benefit in reality. PROPER professional equipment has to be fitted by size to the face so you can't breathe and expel air around the edges.
    This coronavirus is just the extension of the failing AGW/CO2 bullshit green agenda. Anyone seen the massive dumping grounds of wind turbines?
    They can easily be seen from space.
    The AGW agenda is a massive disaster and coronavirus will follow.
    Taiwan - 7 deaths out of 24 million people with no lockdowns.
    USA - yeah well...

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