I use the XTP for deer hunting with my muzzleloader. Twice the bullet didn't pass through and I was able to recover it. Those bullets expanded and flattened a little more than the one pictured. It is a good bullet for sure.
They all look uniformly splattered if you know what I mean, other than the three. Is that legit and they were all shot into the same type of material? or is this just bullshit and its special effects?
I put an HST thru a raccoon in my garage. I found the expended projectile and it looked almost exactly like the picture. Bad news for the racoon, however.
I have Black Talon one box each 10mm and .45 from about the time they hit the news. I only paid $10 each for them and I'm saving them for a special occasion.
I use straight Winchester Ranger 45 ACP 230 Grain JHP. I still have from when I was qualified to carry by the Sheriff's office as a correctional officer.
From our testing of self defense ammo in gel (clear ballistics brand reusable gel), we have seen remarkably similar results. The penetration and expansion displayed led to our house standardizing on Federal HST 147 gr +p in 9x19 NATO (.355" projectile, expanded to .748" as measured on a micrometer.) and 230 gr +p in .45 ACP (.451" expanded to .863"). We also have a few hundred rounds of Speer Gold Dot 147 gr +p, if we can't find the Federal HST.
We also have a little bit of Hornady Critical Defense ammo, as it's the only defensive ammo I can get to feed through our MP5.
I will admit I was quite surprised by some of the ammo we have tested over the years, such as a Gold Dot .45 LC JHP (.451" expanded to 1.369") we tested from a 16" carbine.
All test shots were from ten feet, into a 16" gel block, backed by a old lvl II kevlar vest.
I have been carrying Hornady XTP for quite some time, in 9mm, 115 grain. I have read a lot of studies,and seen a lot of this type of test, and I kind of have come to the conclusion that most types of hollow point, from a major manufacture, in the same weight that you practice with, as long as your gun likes them, will do the job about as the next one. I actually don't practice just one shot on target at a time, usually stopping at 2, then resuming to fire 2 more. I am planning on the first shot not actually stopping the fight, and practice as if it doesn't. And so a second shot, with a decent defensive bullet, is likely to make up for any deficiency of a single round fired on it's own. I have been kind of careful with my defensive ammo lately, due to the ammo shortage, but if I do end up shooting it up, I have some other brand of jacketed hollow point that functions well in my handgun, that I have a few hundred rounds left of and can move to that smoothly. If I had to, I would carry fmj ammo. I would not go unarmed,no matter what, in this day and age. The world has gotten a bit too "sporty" to do that, especially now that I am too old to fight,and to slow to run.
I use the XTP for deer hunting with my muzzleloader. Twice the bullet didn't pass through and I was able to recover it. Those bullets expanded and flattened a little more than the one pictured. It is a good bullet for sure.
ReplyDeleteThey all look uniformly splattered if you know what I mean, other than the three. Is that legit and they were all shot into the same type of material? or is this just bullshit and its special effects?
ReplyDeleteShot a pig in the head with a 230 gr 451 xtp
ReplyDeleteCore completely separated from the jacket and did not exit.
I'm assuming you were charged while taking an armed walk and not pig hunting with a 1911. If I'm wrong you are a braver man than I am.
DeletePig hunt in New Zealand. They hunt with dogs and knives.
DeleteXD and XP are not designed to expand. They did exactly what they should do. The FMJ looks unfired. Who GAS what fmjs do?
ReplyDeleteFMJ's are for punching holes in paper at measured distances. And yes, we don't care what the bullet looks like afterward.
DeleteI put an HST thru a raccoon in my garage. I found the expended projectile and it looked almost exactly like the picture. Bad news for the racoon, however.
ReplyDeleteI'm suprised you found the racoon!
DeleteWhat is the leftover tail that gave it away?
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I have Black Talon one box each 10mm and .45 from about the time they hit the news. I only paid $10 each for them and I'm saving them for a special occasion.
ReplyDeleteI use straight Winchester Ranger 45 ACP 230 Grain JHP. I still have from when I was qualified to carry by the Sheriff's office as a correctional officer.
ReplyDeleteFrom our testing of self defense ammo in gel (clear ballistics brand reusable gel), we have seen remarkably similar results. The penetration and expansion displayed led to our house standardizing on Federal HST 147 gr +p in 9x19 NATO (.355" projectile, expanded to .748" as measured on a micrometer.) and 230 gr +p in .45 ACP (.451" expanded to .863"). We also have a few hundred rounds of Speer Gold Dot 147 gr +p, if we can't find the Federal HST.
ReplyDeleteWe also have a little bit of Hornady Critical Defense ammo, as it's the only defensive ammo I can get to feed through our MP5.
I will admit I was quite surprised by some of the ammo we have tested over the years, such as a Gold Dot .45 LC JHP (.451" expanded to 1.369") we tested from a 16" carbine.
All test shots were from ten feet, into a 16" gel block, backed by a old lvl II kevlar vest.
I have been carrying Hornady XTP for quite some time, in 9mm, 115 grain. I have read a lot of studies,and seen a lot of this type of test, and I kind of have come to the conclusion that most types of hollow point, from a major manufacture, in the same weight that you practice with, as long as your gun likes them, will do the job about as the next one. I actually don't practice just one shot on target at a time, usually stopping at 2, then resuming to fire 2 more. I am planning on the first shot not actually stopping the fight, and practice as if it doesn't. And so a second shot, with a decent defensive bullet, is likely to make up for any deficiency of a single round fired on it's own. I have been kind of careful with my defensive ammo lately, due to the ammo shortage, but if I do end up shooting it up, I have some other brand of jacketed hollow point that functions well in my handgun, that I have a few hundred rounds left of and can move to that smoothly. If I had to, I would carry fmj ammo. I would not go unarmed,no matter what, in this day and age. The world has gotten a bit too "sporty" to do that, especially now that I am too old to fight,and to slow to run.
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Woman! Fetch me my gun oil and a rag!
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