Get your wallet out peoples. $25,000.00 for the battery pack after you ruin them like your phone by not completely draining and fully charging the same type of battery.
You want to prematurely ruin your lithium battery (phone, car, etc)? Then run it dead on a regular basis. Lithium chemistries HATE to be run dead. However, Nickle-Cadmium cells would develop the so-called "memory effect" if consistently shallow discharged. You won't find a NiCd in a phone or an EV.
Word to the Wise: Charge ANY lithium battery ANY chance you get and NEVER wait until dead unless an emergency situation requires it.
such a bright future isn't it. Live in DFW Texas Area. Daughter and family in eastern Kentucky. If by electric car with current range is a three day trip there and back. Let's Go Brandon.
Unless it's winter. Then it's four days each way, if you can find the chargers. If you're actually trying to "lower your carbon footprint " (spit), buy a used Toyota Corrola or equivalent. The energy cost to make it is an already sunk cost, there is no rare earth mining byproducts to dispose of, and no costs to recycle the dead batteries. John in Indy
15 cars in line for 13 charging stations, one looking like it's out of service.... what is it, one hour to charge? So, join the line for 2-1/2 hours minimum waiting to resume travel? The future, man. Awesome.
Take a drive across west TX - cotton, oil & windmills everywhere. Most of the jacks I see aren't pumping a thing, though. Kinda weird all those oil wells dried up at once.
It depends on the equipment at the charging station. The best quality equipment can give you an 80% range charge in about 20 minutes, but those high quality stations are few and far between. They don't reveal how long it takes at "regular" stations. Plugging in at home take 8-10 hours.
So what's going to happen if over half the driving population of the US goes electric? Lines like in the Carter administration, but not for gas... for electrical charge. Also just imagine what a cross-country trip would be like. If you have no patience like me, it would be an exercise in frustration. No thanks.
In the future, these stations will be obsolete. Car makers will have removable batteries that you can pull out when low and replace with a fully charged one. Kind of like the ink cartridge in a printer. You could even carry a spare. If that happens, fine. Until then, get in line and pretend it is the 1970s oil embargo all over again. Idjits.
I've been advocating this approach for some time - like swapping the propane tank for your gas grill. Plus. you could charge the swappable batteries anywhere - like someplace with lots of solar energy. Unfortunately, all of the car manufacturers see their battery tech as proprietary and are not pursuing any standards. Imagine if AA batteries came in all sorts of shapes with different connectors. That's the situation here.
Problem is those battery packs weigh anywhere from 500-1200 pounds, depending on model, and take a lift, special tools, and several hours to replace. Until someone invents a "Shipstone" power cell, EVs will remain mostly impractical.
That's what we need, a Daniel Shipstone to retire from General Atomics and go into his basement while Muriel supports the family, and 5 years later you get the "Shipstone Battery" capable of running your house for a few dozen years per charge. Wasn't Heinlein great?
Wasn’t it the 1996ish Honda “Insight” that was leased out.... Gas/diesel apu equipped hybrid....owners loved them.... Honda took them back and sent the to desert and crushed them....????
GM did the lease only thing with the EV1 around that general time frame. Owners loved them, and many wanted to buy them at the end of the lease, but that was explicitly disallowed. Most were reclaimed and then destroyed, maybe a couple were saved by GM for "archival". The EV1 was still considered a experimental vehicle, so liability and product support made selling them non-viable. Or at least that's how it was presented.
And GM has come so far with elecrric vehicle tech, that they are now ready to throw in the towel on the Chevy Bolt, so many have self-incinerated with no certain fix available. What a joke.
Electric cars simply do not pencil out in the big picture. Power generation and distribution to supoort an EV fleet on a large nationwide scale isn't there, and never will be, as this country can barely maintain what exists of those systems now, and every year a little more of it slips through our fingers. No way do we find the money, much less the will, to build out what would be needed for even 20% EV market share to ever be practical.
The damage done in raw material mining and massive energy consumption to manufacture the batteries, as well as the disposal of spent packs is huge; no practical method of recycling Li battery cells presently exists. Like some other recycling programs already in place, these will only ever be forced to exist at an economic loss just to give the appearance that the waste is being handled responsibly. Most will end up back where they started, as sources of pollution in thrid world countries, just the way "socially virtuous" Americans who fancy themselves enlightened for driving an EV like it.
Really, owning an EV has become like doing crossfit, or being a vegan. Those who are "in the club" just can't resist making sure everyone else knows how cool they are.
That is the Madonna Inn at San Luis Obispo along Hwy 101. Alex Madonna is no fool, while you're charging at my station come eat at my restaurant and but crap at my gift shop. But don't molest the waitresses, that's my job.
The most amusing part of this is that most of the electric produced in the US is by fossil fuels. They feel righteous just for the fact that they don't directly burn that fuel. The one way for our country to put more of these on the road with a sustainable and reliable supply of electricity is NUKE. But they don't want to hear that either.
Get your wallet out peoples. $25,000.00 for the battery pack after you ruin them like your phone by not completely draining and fully charging the same type of battery.
ReplyDeleteActually, lithium batteries don't like being fully discharged. It's possible to damage them that way.
DeleteYou want to prematurely ruin your lithium battery (phone, car, etc)? Then run it dead on a regular basis. Lithium chemistries HATE to be run dead. However, Nickle-Cadmium cells would develop the so-called "memory effect" if consistently shallow discharged. You won't find a NiCd in a phone or an EV.
DeleteWord to the Wise: Charge ANY lithium battery ANY chance you get and NEVER wait until dead unless an emergency situation requires it.
How do I know? I'm in the battery business.
such a bright future isn't it. Live in DFW Texas Area. Daughter and family in eastern Kentucky. If by electric car with current range is a three day trip there and back. Let's Go Brandon.
ReplyDeleteUnless it's winter. Then it's four days each way, if you can find the chargers.
DeleteIf you're actually trying to "lower your carbon footprint " (spit), buy a used Toyota Corrola or equivalent. The energy cost to make it is an already sunk cost, there is no rare earth mining byproducts to dispose of, and no costs to recycle the dead batteries.
John in Indy
The future.....
ReplyDeleteThey were all told to buy an electric car, so they did, without anyone having a clue where electricity comes from.
ReplyDelete15 cars in line for 13 charging stations, one looking like it's out of service.... what is it, one hour to charge? So, join the line for 2-1/2 hours minimum waiting to resume travel? The future, man. Awesome.
ReplyDeleteAsinine. All that good real estate clogged up by EVs.
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And solar and turbine farms. What a waste.
DeleteTake a drive across west TX - cotton, oil & windmills everywhere.
DeleteMost of the jacks I see aren't pumping a thing, though.
Kinda weird all those oil wells dried up at once.
Hell, Fred Flintstone could do better than that! Ohio Guy
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know how long it takes to recharge at one of those public units?
ReplyDeleteI heard it was tiered. You want faster charge you pay premium rate.
DeleteIt depends on the equipment at the charging station. The best quality equipment can give you an 80% range charge in about 20 minutes, but those high quality stations are few and far between. They don't reveal how long it takes at "regular" stations. Plugging in at home take 8-10 hours.
DeletePeople are even stupider than I thought
ReplyDeleteI bet 9 out of 10 of those EV drivers voted for Biden, and blew the Newsom recall effort in CA
DeleteMakes me want to go right out and order one today.
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of morons.
ReplyDeleteTesla should add a trailer hitch so one could tow a gas powered generator for charging. No waiting in line then!
ReplyDeleteThese mental cases are so leading edge.
ReplyDeleteWhat's funny is the person taking the video was probably in a gasoline powered vehicle.
ReplyDeleteSo what's going to happen if over half the driving population of the US goes electric? Lines like in the Carter administration, but not for gas... for electrical charge. Also just imagine what a cross-country trip would be like. If you have no patience like me, it would be an exercise in frustration. No thanks.
ReplyDeletePerhaps eliminating cross-country travel is part of the desired outcome.
DeleteEliminating all long distance travel, except by train and foot at the destination, is the goal.
DeleteNemo
In the future, these stations will be obsolete. Car makers will have removable batteries that you can pull out when low and replace with a fully charged one. Kind of like the ink cartridge in a printer. You could even carry a spare. If that happens, fine. Until then, get in line and pretend it is the 1970s oil embargo all over again. Idjits.
ReplyDeleteI've been advocating this approach for some time - like swapping the propane tank for your gas grill. Plus. you could charge the swappable batteries anywhere - like someplace with lots of solar energy. Unfortunately, all of the car manufacturers see their battery tech as proprietary and are not pursuing any standards. Imagine if AA batteries came in all sorts of shapes with different connectors. That's the situation here.
DeleteProblem is those battery packs weigh anywhere from 500-1200 pounds, depending on model, and take a lift, special tools, and several hours to replace. Until someone invents a "Shipstone" power cell, EVs will remain mostly impractical.
DeleteCouldn't carry a spare but some Chinese co is making a car with plug and play battery.
DeleteThat's what we need, a Daniel Shipstone to retire from General Atomics and go into his basement while Muriel supports the family, and 5 years later you get the "Shipstone Battery" capable of running your house for a few dozen years per charge. Wasn't Heinlein great?
DeleteI can just imagine how many drivers sitting in that line are wishing now they'd bought a Prius.
ReplyDeleteI 1st thought it a drive liquor join. Nothing more than moron parking lot.
ReplyDeleteMy first guess was wuhan nose probes.
DeleteMy schadenboner is epic with this one !
ReplyDeleteWasn’t it the 1996ish Honda “Insight” that was leased out....
ReplyDeleteGas/diesel apu equipped hybrid....owners loved them....
Honda took them back and sent the to desert and crushed them....????
Ed357
GM did the lease only thing with the EV1 around that general time frame. Owners loved them, and many wanted to buy them at the end of the lease, but that was explicitly disallowed. Most were reclaimed and then destroyed, maybe a couple were saved by GM for "archival". The EV1 was still considered a experimental vehicle, so liability and product support made selling them non-viable. Or at least that's how it was presented.
DeleteAnd GM has come so far with elecrric vehicle tech, that they are now ready to throw in the towel on the Chevy Bolt, so many have self-incinerated with no certain fix available. What a joke.
Electric cars simply do not pencil out in the big picture. Power generation and distribution to supoort an EV fleet on a large nationwide scale isn't there, and never will be, as this country can barely maintain what exists of those systems now, and every year a little more of it slips through our fingers. No way do we find the money, much less the will, to build out what would be needed for even 20% EV market share to ever be practical.
The damage done in raw material mining and massive energy consumption to manufacture the batteries, as well as the disposal of spent packs is huge; no practical method of recycling Li battery cells presently exists. Like some other recycling programs already in place, these will only ever be forced to exist at an economic loss just to give the appearance that the waste is being handled responsibly. Most will end up back where they started, as sources of pollution in thrid world countries, just the way "socially virtuous" Americans who fancy themselves enlightened for driving an EV like it.
Really, owning an EV has become like doing crossfit, or being a vegan. Those who are "in the club" just can't resist making sure everyone else knows how cool they are.
Yes....that’s the one....EV1....
DeleteOwners/leasers loved them.
Ed357
Coming soon to a liberal state near you.
ReplyDeleteThat is the Madonna Inn at San Luis Obispo along Hwy 101. Alex Madonna is no fool, while you're charging at my station come eat at my restaurant and but crap at my gift shop. But don't molest the waitresses, that's my job.
DeleteOh My. LOL !
ReplyDeleteAnd THAT, is why I have absolutely no desire to have an electric car.
ReplyDeleteOne of MANY REASONS for me.
Deletehttps://75mpop.blogspot.com/p/no-electric-vehicle-for-me.html
WTF do you do if you totally run out? Call AAA? Do they come out with a generator?
ReplyDeleteI know nothing about EV's, but with out a transmission, is there a neutral? Can you push the things if you run dry 50 feet from the charger?
The short answer is no. Motors on each wheel. There is no provision to free wheel them. When they're dead, you drag them.
DeleteThey have been messing around with EV's for a LONG time (since the 1920's) but Big Car has some videos that might be of interest:
ReplyDelete1960's/1970's EV's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVAA1Tr8Yo
1980's Electric Vehicles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthR6U8N9g4
Th GM EV1 Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw2Rg52j5TE
But the REAL way of the future is nuclear powered cars ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scqLo8jswL8
Phil B
Goodbye boneheads. We'll bury you in a green grave. Better yet we can throw you into a coal/nat gas electrical generator furnace. Good times!
ReplyDeletemo-ronnies?
ReplyDeleteThe most amusing part of this is that most of the electric produced in the US is by fossil fuels. They feel righteous just for the fact that they don't directly burn that fuel. The one way for our country to put more of these on the road with a sustainable and reliable supply of electricity is NUKE. But they don't want to hear that either.
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