The last secret files about the assassination of John F. Kennedy can now be published after President Donald Trump on Thursday ordered the declassification of all remaining documents about the 1963 murder.
never really had any doubts about the "warren report" until 1978 or so. that was when I saw the Z film of the hit. I was in the Dayroom with about 12-15 other guys watching it. then is when I realized it was all bullshit. in that room was TWO army trained snipers. one of them counted 4 or 5 hits on the car and JFK was hit with at least 3, maybe 4 rounds. and the last shot. it came from in front and lower than the car. like from a storm drain. and guess what ? we had done a fair bit of training on fighting in the drains and sewers in West Berlin back then. funny that, now isn't it ? after that bit. I made a point of getting ahold of the "warren report" and check it out. it was a bad white wash if there ever was one. years later, saw it again with my parents. DAD was a WW2 and Korea vet. even he realized it was all bullshit they told the country. MOM cried after seeing it. that is when they stopped trusting anything on the news. dave in pa.
I have an Italian Carcano rifle, I give everyone who wants a chance to shoot it...then I say that you need to put 3 rounds into a moving target at 80 yards in a few seconds; then none of them believe the Warren Report. No effing way.
Indeed. I don't know why anyone believes the deep state would've retained this information in full and unredacted, given the risk that comes from it ever being exposed. It's been over 6 decades, well more than enough time to clear the archives of anything incriminating, or even fabricate completely new and false replacement documentation (just to fuck around with future researchers who might actually pry such documents loose). Ordering their release now is a bad joke, as in expecting anything of value to be produced in such a release.
I was old enough to remember that in 1966, LBJ said that he would seal the records for 100 years - 2066. The govt doesn't throw anything away. Get your records expunged? They keep a record that your records were expunged (and that will be used against you. Guess how I know.)
Sure, they seal and retain records forever, if it suits them, or might later be used to their benefit. Conversely, if the official records can bite them in the ass, why would they be stupid enough to retain them? Look at what the Jan 6 committee did, they destroyed everything on closing the investigation and ending the committee, so it could never be used either to second guess the official narrative with actual evidence, or be used to prosecute them for what is now obvious criminal wrong doing.
At best, we probably get thousands of pages where there are 60 lines of typewritten text blacked out with a wide nib Sharpie, just as one last giant on the "fuck you" on the JFK matter to the American people, courtesy of the deep state.
If I'm wrong, not only will I be genuinely shocked, but I'll also be happy to come on here and openly admit I was mistaken.
The Warren Commission report was fiction from the get go. As to what really happened, why would anyone think the perps responsible actually documented it for posterity? That would be a rather bold risk to take, in the assumption that such info would never somehow be leaked, either accidentally or fully with intent.
I seriously doubt any real, truthful records of what went down in Dallas (if any written records of the dirty dealings and players behind the whole thing existed to begin with) survived more than a year or two after JFK got aired out, if that. Who the hell keeps self incriminating evidence for decades? Save for weird sex crime perverts who keep mementos of their victims?
These were professional operators who come from the bowels of intelligence and spycraft; they may be arrogant bastards, but they aren't idiots who'll leave file cabinets full of slam dunk evidence sitting conveniently around for a future govt composed of actors who don't share their views or objectives, to release into the daylight for all to see.
This is about the best I've found on the subject. There was a sequel to it, but I don't remember much from it. https://www.amazon.com/High-Treason-Robert-J-Groden/dp/0425123448?crid=21DH2Y1HLCC42&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1wwkGoUAelEVGpfPkvaF0y_wsVZjNfyVNsbme8Q0oWuv7_lnutbt8m1OwYVjtnZA_7j4BAZeBrFpd5j2yjVitkv6deujm7xK6Pcqzv14sqR6YKj5II45dQ-7GklUgDb6vPfY1aiWdDkIwayR5jfNwFZXTk08KxedI0ZYFlAijGBymfd6k-YVor3B0gb0HkJzwFg8PpXnNj1f7XF8ePGbJqE2MYnLSsl9dKKoNy6gqv0.i-fojUft2cGHqdYI2GYxQzv792R2oyey9GyfZMQ8eMc&dib_tag=se&keywords=high+treason+jfk&qid=1737687635&sprefix=treason+jfk%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-1
And remember that to be sure, you have to photocopy the blacked out pages, shred the originals, and re-file the reactions, so the the original text can't be read from the difference in the reflectivity of the inks. John in Indy
He tried getting the reports declassified and released during his last term. If the reports have all been redacted, altered, or destroyed, then why the push back on releasing what is available?
The whole truth might be lost to history as far as incriminating evidence. My gut reaction is that some of our nations heroes might be found to be not so heroic after all.
What makes me skeptical of Oswald being the 'single shooter' is my experience shooting a scoped, bolt action rifle at the range. When you fire a round, the recoil takes the scope off target. Then, you have to action the bolt and re-acquire the target. Oswald managed to action his bolt and get back on target twice in eight seconds. He got two hits out of three shooting at a moving target up to eighty yards away, at a 45 degree down angle partially obscured by trees. Pretty darn good shootin’ for a guy who just barely qualified at the lowest level of Marine marksmanship.
The Warren Commission asked the Army's and Marine's best shooters to recreate that act, and they couldn't do it. The purpose of the Warren Commission was to reassure the American people that the assassination was the work of a disgruntled loner, and not a conspiracy, and they succeeded.
Perhaps The Don is just sending a message. What might *also* be declassified if you don't play ball, Swamp? Maybe an Epstein client list? Maybe the full details of Obama's cover-up of Hillary's treason? Maybe the actual intel the Pentagon had before the Gulf War 2? Oh, yeah, and there's 9-11 itself. Man's there's a lot of dirt in DC.
Fifty cents says the files will turn up "missing" or "unable to locate".
ReplyDeleteOr crucial pages are missing.
Deletenever really had any doubts about the "warren report" until 1978 or so. that was when I saw the Z film of the hit. I was in the Dayroom with about 12-15 other guys watching it. then is when I realized it was all bullshit. in that room was TWO army trained snipers. one of them counted 4 or 5 hits on the car and JFK was hit with at least 3, maybe 4 rounds. and the last shot. it came from in front and lower than the car. like from a storm drain. and guess what ? we had done a fair bit of training
Deleteon fighting in the drains and sewers in West Berlin back then.
funny that, now isn't it ? after that bit. I made a point of getting ahold of the "warren report" and check it out. it was a bad white wash if there ever was one.
years later, saw it again with my parents. DAD was a WW2 and Korea vet. even he realized it was all bullshit they told the country. MOM cried after seeing it.
that is when they stopped trusting anything on the news. dave in pa.
I have an Italian Carcano rifle, I give everyone who wants a chance to shoot it...then I say that you need to put 3 rounds into a moving target at 80 yards in a few seconds; then none of them believe the Warren Report. No effing way.
DeleteAnyone ever hear of the word redacted
ReplyDeleteIndeed. I don't know why anyone believes the deep state would've retained this information in full and unredacted, given the risk that comes from it ever being exposed. It's been over 6 decades, well more than enough time to clear the archives of anything incriminating, or even fabricate completely new and false replacement documentation (just to fuck around with future researchers who might actually pry such documents loose). Ordering their release now is a bad joke, as in expecting anything of value to be produced in such a release.
ReplyDeleteI was old enough to remember that in 1966, LBJ said that he would seal the records for 100 years - 2066. The govt doesn't throw anything away. Get your records expunged? They keep a record that your records were expunged (and that will be used against you. Guess how I know.)
DeleteSure, they seal and retain records forever, if it suits them, or might later be used to their benefit. Conversely, if the official records can bite them in the ass, why would they be stupid enough to retain them? Look at what the Jan 6 committee did, they destroyed everything on closing the investigation and ending the committee, so it could never be used either to second guess the official narrative with actual evidence, or be used to prosecute them for what is now obvious criminal wrong doing.
DeleteAt best, we probably get thousands of pages where there are 60 lines of typewritten text blacked out with a wide nib Sharpie, just as one last giant on the "fuck you" on the JFK matter to the American people, courtesy of the deep state.
If I'm wrong, not only will I be genuinely shocked, but I'll also be happy to come on here and openly admit I was mistaken.
Yeah...the files have been redacted, edited, altered and much of it destroyed with other parts fabricated. Basically the JFK files will be fiction.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention, his brain turned up missing from the National Archives.
Delete(Or at least that's what they told RFK Jr.)
So after 60 years of screaming for release, the new position is "it's all fiction"?
ReplyDeleteThe Warren Commission report was fiction from the get go. As to what really happened, why would anyone think the perps responsible actually documented it for posterity? That would be a rather bold risk to take, in the assumption that such info would never somehow be leaked, either accidentally or fully with intent.
DeleteI seriously doubt any real, truthful records of what went down in Dallas (if any written records of the dirty dealings and players behind the whole thing existed to begin with) survived more than a year or two after JFK got aired out, if that. Who the hell keeps self incriminating evidence for decades? Save for weird sex crime perverts who keep mementos of their victims?
These were professional operators who come from the bowels of intelligence and spycraft; they may be arrogant bastards, but they aren't idiots who'll leave file cabinets full of slam dunk evidence sitting conveniently around for a future govt composed of actors who don't share their views or objectives, to release into the daylight for all to see.
This is about the best I've found on the subject. There was a sequel to it, but I don't remember much from it.
Deletehttps://www.amazon.com/High-Treason-Robert-J-Groden/dp/0425123448?crid=21DH2Y1HLCC42&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1wwkGoUAelEVGpfPkvaF0y_wsVZjNfyVNsbme8Q0oWuv7_lnutbt8m1OwYVjtnZA_7j4BAZeBrFpd5j2yjVitkv6deujm7xK6Pcqzv14sqR6YKj5II45dQ-7GklUgDb6vPfY1aiWdDkIwayR5jfNwFZXTk08KxedI0ZYFlAijGBymfd6k-YVor3B0gb0HkJzwFg8PpXnNj1f7XF8ePGbJqE2MYnLSsl9dKKoNy6gqv0.i-fojUft2cGHqdYI2GYxQzv792R2oyey9GyfZMQ8eMc&dib_tag=se&keywords=high+treason+jfk&qid=1737687635&sprefix=treason+jfk%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-1
someone has a purchase order for boxes of black markers.
ReplyDeleteAnd remember that to be sure, you have to photocopy the blacked out pages, shred the originals, and re-file the reactions, so the the original text can't be read from the difference in the reflectivity of the inks.
DeleteJohn in Indy
That's nice. Now how about the Epstein logs?
ReplyDeleteI'll believe it when I see it ----- UNREDACTED
ReplyDeleteHe tried getting the reports declassified and released during his last term. If the reports have all been redacted, altered, or destroyed, then why the push back on releasing what is available?
ReplyDeleteThe whole truth might be lost to history as far as incriminating evidence. My gut reaction is that some of our nations heroes might be found to be not so heroic after all.
This one has a good analysis of the assassination:
ReplyDeletehttps://archive.org/details/FryTheBrainTheArtOfUrbanSniping
The photographs in the printed version are poor so not a fault of the copying process.
What makes me skeptical of Oswald being the 'single shooter' is my experience shooting a scoped, bolt action rifle at the range. When you fire a round, the recoil takes the scope off target. Then, you have to action the bolt and re-acquire the target. Oswald managed to action his bolt and get back on target twice in eight seconds. He got two hits out of three shooting at a moving target up to eighty yards away, at a 45 degree down angle partially obscured by trees. Pretty darn good shootin’ for a guy who just barely qualified at the lowest level of Marine marksmanship.
ReplyDeleteThe Warren Commission asked the Army's and Marine's best shooters to recreate that act, and they couldn't do it. The purpose of the Warren Commission was to reassure the American people that the assassination was the work of a disgruntled loner, and not a conspiracy, and they succeeded.
Perhaps The Don is just sending a message. What might *also* be declassified if you don't play ball, Swamp? Maybe an Epstein client list? Maybe the full details of Obama's cover-up of Hillary's treason? Maybe the actual intel the Pentagon had before the Gulf War 2? Oh, yeah, and there's 9-11 itself. Man's there's a lot of dirt in DC.
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