State lawmakers are churning out more proposed laws to hold cops accountable for misconduct.
A bill introduced by state Sen. Alessandra Biaggi (D-Bronx) would require police officers to obtain personal liability insurance to cover civil lawsuits filed against them for excessive force and other abuses as a way to deter misconduct.
Under current law, cops who are sued are represented by the city law department and taxpayers foot the bill for any verdict or settlement.
Biaggi’s proposal would require each officer to obtain individual liability insurance. The city or other local governments would still be required to cover the basic insurance policy to cover tort litigation costs.
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-WiscoDave
Do they WANT more cops to quit?
ReplyDeleteNo, they want the small minority of asshole cops to stop being assholes.
DeleteWhy not have an expectation that the "they" you mention fix the problem with the "small minority" and leave the large majority alone so they don't become even more unmotivated to do what is expected of them? No need to use a shotgun for that one pesky gnat that is a bother. But, there are very few effective leaders among either elected office holders or entrenched bureaucrats, so the problem will be shotgunned, regardless of how ineffective that may be.
DeleteNot a bad idea, really. Nearly anyone else needs some sort f insurance to work. Layers, doctors, mechanics, plumbers, etc. Hell, I volunteers as an unpaid firearms instructor and I need to have liability insurance.
ReplyDeleteeither that, or we need to spend more money on weeding out the people who really shouldn't be cops...psychological testing and such.....and better training for those that remain.
Having said that, I cannot see any reason anyone would want to be a cop in today's environment.
We already have psychological testing. Ask yourself how well it worked regarding Mohammed Noor.
DeleteThere are several problems with police in this and probably other countries. Qualified immunity and the blue wall of silence. Police officers that do not speak out when they observe another officer breaking the law is how you get a Derrick Chauvin. Qualified immunity is also how you get a Derrick Chauvin. Police officers need to be held accountable for their actions, EVERY TIME they screw up. If you're enforcing the law, you need to be held to AT LEAST the same standard as every other citizen. Personally, I would argue that they need to be held to a higher standard.
ReplyDeleteYeh, George Floyd was not an upstanding citizen. However, NO ONE should die in police custody, EVER. Especially not with a display of the utter arrogance depicted by Chauvin in the George Floyd tape.
...and don't give me that bullshit that Chauvin was following "procedure". Any police department that has a "procedure" that involves ANYTHING to do with the neck of a person they're trying to control needs to go back to the drawing board for control procedures.
Nemo
...and one other thing, there's something wrong with the psychological evaluation of police officers. There are far too many psychopaths on police forces all over this country and probably the world over. The bigger the department the more there are.
So what, exactly, should officers do to subdue a resisting arrestee? They can;t use a chokehold anymore, obviously asking nicely won't work, a right proper beatdown is verboten....what should they use to physically subdue someone who is resisting arrest?
DeleteOk. Are you aware that the NYPD police academy is one of the ONLY police academies in the country where being a E class felon does NOT disqualify you from enrollment? Or military PTSD? Or learning disablities?
DeleteI empathetic to your convictions, but quit with the crunchy-granola, kumbaya, bar lowered explanations, and make *expectations*. This is a city where it is ILLEGAL to protect YOURSELF as a private citizen. I trust my SR-91 a hell of a lot more than that clown-shoe mayor.
DeBalsio is a cuck. And I've lived through enough race riots here over a lifetime to understand that bill is about bill, and bill alone. Even Guiliani had more spine.
-Trapped in NY
"There are far too many psychopaths"-paste those words onto "in our society" and then your statement presents a more accurate statement about what has gone wrong in the last several decades. Name a group that has not been dumbed down either professionally, ethically, morally, or personally? Yeah, I can't either. Sadly, turning back is always harder than we could ever think. That is why SHTF came about.
Delete"Ok. Are you aware that the NYPD police academy is one of the ONLY police academies in the country where being a E class felon does NOT disqualify you from enrollment? Or military PTSD? Or learning disablities?"
DeleteWell, you can thank David Dinkins and the NYS courts for that one. My father-in-law was a LT out of the 69th pct in Brooklyn during the Dinkins administration and the reason for that is because the NY City Council - as well as the usual race-hustlers- were pissed off that there wasn't enough minority representation on the force at that time and that they wanted more people who lived in the city to populate the force. However, there was a big problem and that is the fact that most of the minorities applying for the job position had a lot of shady stuff on their record and would be ineligible for the job. That's when they granted a waiver for the "E" felony charge and thousands of applicants who should have been sent packing to the local fast food joint for employment, wound up wearing a badge and a gun. The courts upheld the decision by stating that since it was an entry level position, the city could change the hiring rules up to a point. By the way, that waiver was only good for those "protected groups" that Dinkins wanted to hire. If you were White and had so much as a speeding ticket on your record - especially if you lived out on the island, or in the surrounding counties - you weren't even considered. He told me that when Rudy got elected, they quietly got rid of many of them. Most of those obligingly helped as they thought they would have a free ride once they got hired no matter what they did. Old habits die hard. Of course the media never mentioned it, but a lot of them are still there, many of those are now in command positions. My father-in-law pulled the plug in '99, after 27 years, he had enough.
I'm sure that sounded like a good idea in faculty lounge.
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And, will Sen. Alessandra Biaggi (D-Bronx) be held liable for anything she does or does not do?
ReplyDeleteCrickets........
She sure as fuk won't ever be "held accountable" for any under the table bribe monies she takes over her long career as a "public servant".
DeleteThe police serve their union more than the city, let the union pay for their insurance. Maybe then the union would police their own.
ReplyDeleteI've got an brainwave, LEOs receive random drug testing for steroids, test positive twice and you get fired.
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Politicans, lawyers & insurance companies certainly fill a much-needed space...
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Starting pay for new police officers isn't very good, especially when they have to live a expensive city like New York. Combined with the huge numbers of experienced officers taking early retirement (while they can) I'd be surprised if NYC has half the number of cops they have today next year.
ReplyDeleteThis is not a good thing. Time to escape from New York.
*munches popcorn*
ReplyDeleteCops should be immune from civil prosecution for on-the-job incidents. Whatever municipality they work for should bear that burden. Otherwise we're going to lose a bunch of the good ones.
ReplyDeleteImmune from civil prosecution = no accountability
DeleteWhatever municipality they work for = the local taxpayers
Should bear that burden = Officers have no skin in the game
Isn't that formula a big part of how we got into the current mess?
Ultimately this is not about "defunding" or "abolishing" police. At some point in the not-distant future qualified immunity will be back with a vengeance, and the cops will be LESS accountable than they are now -- once they have the people they want in place.
ReplyDeleteThis is about replacing current police with worse ones (thanks Anon @15:44 re the NYPD felons) who tick the correct boxes and are willing to enforce the will of our lords and masters because they enjoy being able to prey on regular people. Especially non-diverse people. Combine that sociopathy with low IQ, poor impulse control, and minimal education and you have nearly-ideal enforcers for the ruling class.
This emerging American ruling class will be an uneasy coalition of the sorts of people we saw in the Clinton and Obama adminstrations. Their top people will have their own private security, and the nomenklatura will live in communities where the cops have triple-digit IQs. The rest of us will have hostile savages for "police".
This current "defunding" is a transitional phase.
This Sen Biaggi is the granddaughter of Mario Biaggi. He was a retired NYPD Cop who went into politics.
ReplyDeleteHe represented this same district in the Bronx as a Congressman. He was convicted of corruption and sent to prison.
Irony.....
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