Personally, I don't agree with trapping with leg hold traps, but I wouldn't fuck with another man's livelihood. Fur Harvester's Trading Post lists tanned lynx fur at $190 for a medium pelt and $220 for a large one, so basically these guys just cost that trapper a full day's wages.
People just don't mind their own business anymore. These do-gooders need their comeuppance to occur deep in the woods.
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I think you’re believing the lies that the left have been selling for years.
ReplyDeleteWatch the video. No harm to the animal.
The “chewing their leg off is a lie. You just saw that with your own eyes.
Who you going to believe?
PETA?
or your lying eyes?
Your choice!
What in the world are you talking about? I didn't mention a thing about chewing its leg off. I don't agree with leg hold traps because the animal stresses out until the trapper comes along to kill it, sometimes up to 24 hours. I have no problem at all with a good clean kill, but no animal needs to suffer.
DeleteAmen
DeleteI had a buddy in high school, who trapped muskrats. I went with him a couple of times, to run his trap line. It was in the winter, right on a stream, and the traps were set so that the animal would drown itself, once it got caught by the leg.
DeleteHe put a stick in the water that made the chain from the trap get wrapped up and keep the muskrat below the surface of the water. That was about as humane a death as one could figure out, for a leg hold trap.
And trapping is certainly a part of the way to keep the population of certain animals under control. But the price of furs has gone way down, for muskrats, and such.
My brother had a golden lab, that someone set a conibear trap, and it got caught around the dogs neck, and it ended up killing the dog. My brother found it a hundred yards behind the house, with his neck fur cut off by the trap.
pigpen51
God bless those two men who freed that cat. That is the right thing to do. No one needs fur. We have down and other synthetics that are much more efficient and humane.
ReplyDeleteDeath to those who do this sort of thing to cats and other animals.
Death? Commie pinko bastard.
DeleteJ-West - Isn't there a bike rally somewhere that you should be protesting?
DeleteThen those idiots post it on the net. If JoeBob trapper sees it and located these idiots what are the chance that there is going to be an ass-whuppin?
ReplyDeleteBack in the 70's when I was in high school I trapped beaver with a cage trap. They were a nuisance as they would dam up creeks and it would flood nearby fields. Back then I got $40 for a pelt and $100 from the farmer to get the pair of beaver and destroy their dam.
Indeed.
DeleteEnviro-activist types like these need to get with the 21st century and understand digital warfare. Solid blackout on all faces, exposed skin, and identifiable clothing. The video needs to be re-encoded and stripped of metadata which just about any program, even photoshop, is capable of doing.
The person in charge of editing needs to learn redaction 101 before posting videos of their own illegal acts for the whole world to see. I predict they will win a very stupid prize for their techno-ignorance.
- Arc
good for these guys. the other need to find a new livelyhood...downright satanic to do that to an animal like that.
ReplyDeleteThey were all prepared with the restraint, took time to set the camera up first, trap came off pretty easy and the cat didn't seem to favor that foot at all. I don't know ....
ReplyDeleteWe don't know if that was do-gooders interfering with a trappers livelihood. More likely the trapper himself, releasing a non-targeted animal unharmed.
ReplyDeleteTHat was my assumption as well.
DeleteThat was what I thought I know Colo. was trying to establish Lynx populations as are other states. Im suprised at how many here are jumping to such half baked conclusions.
DeleteExactly!
DeleteHere in Maine, Canada Lynx are "highly" protected, and trappers are required to release them unharmed if possible.
I don't agree with the protection aspect, as the Lynx is on it's extreme edge of habitat here, and the traps used for coyotes, a real problem, tends to also catch lynx, so those traps are also "highly" regulated.
They're called "Canada Lynx" for a reason.
I was waiting for the cat to shred their asses. Dammit, another hope failed.
ReplyDeleteThe modern leg hold traps like that one, do little damage, yet hold the leg. Back when I was just starting to work for Fish & Wildlife, a kid brought in his years worth of trapping bobcats to have them tagged. Seventy five of them. And the price was around $275 per pelt back then. There's a million of them out there. When I did salmon spawning ground surveys, and when it snowed, "every" log across the creek had fresh cat tracks.
ReplyDeleteShould mind their own biz. tree hugging assholes. . But as for me trapping for food I'll do but for trophies and clothes I have no need for.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention that disturbing a legal trap line is breaking the law.....
ReplyDeleteAlso, there's nothing there to indicate the circumstances of this trapped animal. Maybe they were after something else, and let it go because of that. How does one think they catch wolves, and radio collar them? A dart gun is probably a low percentage opp for wolves.
ReplyDeleteFuck the trapper. Should have taken the trap and tossed in a deep lake.
ReplyDeleteHey kid, you willing to do that in front of the trapper? Just asking for a friend! This statement says a lot about you.
DeleteDrew in Michigan
Are you a vegetarian?
DeleteHey, Kid. Fuck YOU!
DeleteWow! Such harsh thoughts against trapping!
ReplyDeleteWell crap. I've been throwing the trash pandas away.
ReplyDeleteWell I have a view about leg hold traps, and it goes like this:
ReplyDeleteHere in New Zealand we have a plague of Australian opossums (google the cute little bastards).
Many many people, my Grandson included, use leg hold traps to capture, despatch and pluck the fur off them. The going price in NZ at the moment is about $80 NZ a kilo.
Not bad money but a lot of plucking to get your Kilo (about 12 animals).
It is not worth skinning and drying pelts as the anti fur lobby has all but killed off the fur trade and I kind of get that.
The alternative here in NZ is what the Govt undertakes on a huge scale, the aerial bombardment of our native forests with literally tons of 1080 (sodium fluoroacetate) poison to lower the numbers of the little fuckers, unfortunately the 1080 is an indiscriminate killer, and the by kill of native birds etc is immense. Not to mention, deer, pigs and any other living creature in the bush.
I can see why it is used, as trappers are not in big enough numbers to control pests, but my question to anti trappers is this...what is worse, being held by a humane leg trap, or a painful and prolonged death by "legal" poisoning?
I say both have their place until such time as an alternative is found. A lot of work is being done on GM process, but this is also fraught with problems from the bloody greenies, who don't see GM as being kosher in any way shape of form.
A lot of them are shot by small game hunters, but this does not even begin to put a dent in the population.
Soooo...we kill em by painful poisoning or humanely by leg hold and quick tap to the head. You choose.
oops, after re-reading my post, it could be read that I am saying a lot of greenies are shot by small game hunters...har bloody har...while i can see a certain irony in it, I in no way condone such a practice. ;-)
DeleteI think the cat was hanging around to buy them guys a beer for setting him free.
ReplyDeleteMost are assuming the trap was legally placed in an area where fur trapping of such animals is allowed. That MAY OR MAY NOT be the case. It's JUST as possible that these two saved that animal from an illegal poacher.
ReplyDeleteLong post!
ReplyDeletePerhaps I'm a bit hypocritical here, since I have a few leg holds but also argue against their use. I played with them for a while before putting them in storage for SHTF, just in case. It's my personal preference to shoot for my meat, rather than trick animals into a trap.
As for opening other peoples traps, I haven't come across any yet and probably won't. No one in my area uses them.
Now I don't advocate people go out and violate the law, but if your conscience demands you act on something objectionable happening in front of you:
#1 Determine if you have a pocket snitch (phone) that does reverse warrants on demand. Tracking means move along.
#2 Locate trail cameras. If cameras are cellular and took pictures of you, leave the area alone; if it didn't, cover it up. Regular cameras are self explanatory and can be wiped.
#3 Decide if the animal is a pest or a beneficial and make a decision to release or not.
#4 If it's a more humane offset trap, leave it be. If its a straight jaw, dispose of it. Encourage humane traps, discourage inhumane traps.
If it happens to be a treble hook, very illegal, document it for evidence and store it on multiple clouds. If at all possible, restrain the animal to remove the hook by clipping off the barbs (multi-tool), or put it out of its misery and report the incident through official channels after you are away from the area.
I can't comment on anyone else game wardens and if they will help with a hooked animal, some might, others might just shoot it. You may very well be on the good side of the law in this instance, depending on fencing, posted signs, natural public right of ways like river beds, etc, and having your picture taken or your phone snitching may be irrelevant.
Coyotes can be subdued and released with a simple shirt. When I'm rock hunting, I usually have my puncture resistant animal handling gloves with me so I don't get snake bit. Pistol for hogs, or if I stumble over someone's guerrilla grow and they aren't friendly (cannabis, opiates, drug plants, MS13, narcos, etc.) So far, no grow ops out here. No one likes a snitch, not even cops, so if they are just hippie types, leave em be; they aren't bothering anyone.
TBH, the fur trade has no business existing anymore when we have cheaper, superior materials that are artificially produced. The trade is revolting and an insult to life. I'll likely help just about any "fur" animal I find in a trap. Tough luck for the fur trapper, seek honorable work and not killing animals for profit. Transitioning to the synthetic fur industry would likely be a viable option.
No one has to like my stance on the matter, actually, most here probably won't. Oh well, that's life, to each their own.
-arc
Regarding killing animals for profit. Not trying to pick a fight, but do you feel the same way for Tyson, Butterball and cattle ranchers?
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I suspect that the trap was theirs and was set for a coyote. The cat was probably caught out of season and that's why they let it go.
ReplyDeleteThe thought crossed my mind but I'm going by the video description. We live in an age where pictures and videos can have their narratives set regardless of what happened.
DeleteThey seem well tooled for the job but if they take their activism seriously, then it's not unreasonable.
-arc