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Tuesday, September 29, 2020

I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.

I lived through the end of a civil war. Do you know what it was like for me? Quite normal. I went to work, I went out, I dated. This is what Americans don’t understand. They’re waiting to get personally punched in the face while ash falls from the sky. That’s not how it happens. 

This is how it happens. Precisely what you’re feeling now. The numbing litany of bad news. The ever rising outrages. People suffering, dying, and protesting all around you, while you think about dinner. 

If you’re trying to carry on while people around you die, your society is not collapsing. It’s already fallen down. 
-Gordon

30 comments:

  1. "We’re trying to tell you something."

    Interesting that third-world types have the arrogance to tell us that we are somehow doing something wrong. Maybe what we are doing wrong is allowing them here to take jobs, hastening our own privation.

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    1. I was thinking the same thing myself.

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  2. What a crock of shit. Especially the end. Instead of listening to people like you, we should be deporting you. We let in over a million people a year, mostly from shit holes, and yes no matter what the author says, Sri Lanka is a third world shithole. Most of the problems in this country can be attributed to immigration in some way. How? If you had to be born here to vote, Biden et al would never have a snowballs chance in hell at winning. If you had to be born here to vote, Democrats would have maybe 25 senate seats and no shot at all at winning a national election.

    The person who wrote that article does have an important message, though - don’t let third world people into your country. They’ll just turn it into the shitholes they left.

    Gator

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    1. It’s bullshit. “In the last three months America has lost more people than Sri Lanka lost in 30 years of civil war.” The Tamil Center for Human Rights claims 47,556 Tamil civilians were killed between 1983 and 2004, 21 years (Wikipedia). The UN says 40,000 in 30 years (The Economist). The writer is trying to ease his own conscience.

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  3. What a useless POS article. So eager to wave his little flag about how much he knows, and providing absolutely nothing useful.

    I still believe that most of the issues we believe we're facing are because the media is telling us we're facing them, the tail wagging the dog, and this self-righteous drivel, trying to sound self-important with platitudes fits right in. Most of the comments are lapping it up, but a few see through it and try to point it out.

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    1. It's not how much he knows, it's about the feelz. You white supremacist. Clearly we need to erase our white guilt by importing more 3rd world shitters.

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  4. I used to think that letting foreign workers come to America would take all of the jobs that Americans could do. But if you look more closely, you will see that is not the case. Most of the jobs that they take, are things like manual labor that lots of Americans won't do, like picking fruit or vegetables. Or they are highly skilled positions like computer technicians that require dedication to the craft, and a lifetime spent learning, which we don't have as many young people willing to do for a profession, but do like it as a pastime when they are young.
    Never forget the old saying of " Don't shoot the messenger, just because you hate the message." While this person may not be exactly correct on their message, they are certainly very close, at least close enough that we need to consider what is being said. And take what is applicable, and leave what you find doesn't fit our situation. Much of what the article says is at the very least, instructive, in that it can at the least be considered a warning.

    pigpen51

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    1. There is no job Americans won't do. There just needs to be an incentive. Say, reducing welfare payments or not providing cradle to grave housing for certain people.

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    2. Sorry, but I don't buy into the foreign workers taking only the jobs that Americans won't do themselves. The truth is that many of the foreign workers are willing to take the jobs at lower wages than what Americans must have to earn a living. They are able to work for lower wages many times because they don't pay taxes, or they are getting some form of government assistance, or they will cram an incredible number of people into the same house or apartment to save money. Plus, many of the foreign workers (mainly the illegal variety) do not pay for any insurance, whether it is health insurance, or auto insurance. And then there are the unscrupulous business owners who will pay illegal aliens off the books, in cash, at a much lower rate than they could hire an American citizen to do the job for them.
      As to the highly skilled computer technicians, most of them I have encountered are actually incapable of doing the job. However, because they can be hired so cheap, many companies figure that even if they have to hire many more of them to work on a project to get it done, the company still comes out ahead in cost savings.

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    3. @Anonymous: "There is no job Americans won't do."

      Congress doesn't do anything, so that's 535 jobs right there. Sure, there are people that *fill* the job, but that's different. Multiply that across all levels of federal, state, and local government, and there are an awful lot of jobs that go undone.

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    4. "...jobs that Americans won't do...."

      Ya mean like Apple and other 'woke' corporations? That offshore jobs to China where they don't have ta deal with the EPA, OSHA, Unions, minimum wage laws and make their profits off of 'slave labor'...

      ...all the while virtue signaling their 'anti-slavery' BS by giving millions to 'Black Lies Matter'?

      Those jobs?

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    5. "highly skilled positions like computer technicians"

      ... because person with a certificate from the Ganges Institute for Advanced Riverine Defecation is exactly who you want writing the validation software for the Boeing 737.

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    6. Thank you Pigpen,
      That is why I suggested the article to Wirecutter. Sure its not the USA. And because of that, things wil happen differently here. That, I expected was a given. But, as you said, there are things we can glean from his experience.

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    7. @ Tom Baugh: "... because person with a certificate from the Ganges Institute for Advanced Riverine Defecation is exactly who you want writing the validation software for the Boeing 737."

      As opposed to a Harvard grad in applied mathematics who was taught that 2+2 = racism?

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    8. Screed alert. I've been an embedded software engineer for 30 years. Importing these guys is a huge problem. I've battled Injun and eastern european jugheads for for the last 20 years (the first 10 were working blissfully with US citizens). This has little or nothing to do with US citizens able and willing to do the job, and a lot more to do with the exec who needs to shave money off of his budget so he looks like a genius. Then he gets promoted and is gone when the project's SHTF because of these guys in "low cost countries". I can't tell you how many times I had to step in and work 14 hours a day, with noon and 9pm meetings with our Big 3 customers, because these guys either implemented crap, designed unbelievably complex crap that resulted in crap being implemented, or just flat out blew the schedule after telling us for weeks or months they were on schedule. Yes there are quite a few competent ones, but an overwhelming number of incompetent ones. You see the competent ones, the faces they send here (companies like Wipro and LNT), you don't see the ones that are actually doing the work overseas. They can be real big purple dildos (e.g. Idiocracy).

      What you said about "we don't have as many young people willing to do for a profession" is just plain BS. My son was a 4-year athlete at a Division I school who busted his a$$ to get a degree in Mechanical Engineering. He graduated 6 months ago and is STILL trying to find a job in engineering. Why? Talked to an old friend who is a hiring manager a few weeks ago - turns out there's a big push to offshore even ME jobs now (used to be mainly limited to hardware and software). And another thing - you know what the next step is, after offshoring everything? Getting Indians into HR in executive and recruiter roles. You know how many US citizens get hired when they get into control? Good luck. They have NO PROBLEM discriminating. They don't think twice about it.

      We have plenty of good people to fill tech spots. What we don't have are good directors and managers who want a short term gain to catapult them to their next juicy role before the project blows up in their faces. Funny there's always money to do the job the second or third time after offshore effs it up.

      Rajiv or Raheem or whatever TF his name is is just giving us his feeeelz. We're such baaaaad people. Probably all white supremacists. This article is just BS. We don't need him here, and we don't need any $hitworlders here either.

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  5. He is trying to apply lessons from his country to the US. It doesn't work. Sri Lanka is smaller than 40 of the US states. Most of the country has not seen the riots on the scale that a few cities have. He talks about the deaths in the past few months being more than SL had in 30 years of civil war. Well, we have 15 times the population. Every year we have roughly 3 million people die. We have more people die every 3 months every year than SL lost in it's war. In much of the country, the average weekly deaths have shown very little increase over a 5 year average.

    Will we have a civil war in the US? Yes, probably. But now we are still in the "Bleeding Kansas" stage.

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    1. Well, yes. SL isn't the USA. And the civil war there was led by a rebel leader. Things are going to happen much differently here. Bu the point he is trying to make is that; fot the most part, it won't directly affect us. I mean, I live 25 miles outside Portland, OR. The riots that have been going on for the last 125 days might as well be in a foriegn country as far as I'm concerned. Life for me is going on as normal (COVID-19 normal). Am I taking steps to prepare incase they spread or disrupt the supply chain? You bet. I'm not delusional.
      I'm not sure what "Bleeding Kansas" refers to, but I see everyone taking up sides: republican vs Democrat,BLM vs the police, Antifa vs everyone. Everyone willing to scream their position and put down everyone else. Nobody willing to listen. Yup, it's starting.

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  6. Sheesh! With all the talk about civil war going on around here I thought that you would like to hear from someone who went through one. But I guess not. Yes, I've seen better writen articles. Sri Lanka isn't America. Sure the author isn't an American. Is that all you got out of it?

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    1. It was interesting, thank you.

      I'm guessing the "America has fallen" line immediately flipped a lot of mental switches into "Fuck YOU!", and that was the end.

      The author of the piece writes from an admittedly privileged perspective - perhaps the Sri Lankan equivalent of our Democratic politicians, who expect life to go on as usual for them, while riots and devastation strike around them.

      One line that struck me was, "If you’re waiting for a moment where you’re like “this is it,” I’m telling you, it never comes." Many people, many readers here, are expecting that metaphorical switch to flip, even planning for it. Some, like The Intrepid Reporter, can hardly wait. (Not judging, just saying.)

      This blog is made of people who won't be going to clubs while riots bloom around them. If these folks aren't actively engaging, they'll be support for those who are. Think of the Cajun Navy, and all the unnamed citizen groups that just get together and do the right thing.

      It was an interesting article - just a point of view that is essentially foreign to most of the readers here.

      We are in the middle of a civil war. Not a race war, but a culture war. The dividing line is American patriot with Christian values, against... almost anything else.

      -ThinkingOutLoud

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    2. Damned skippy. -ALMOST- time to clean house... the dems are pushing to give us and excuse at this point. The article? Meh. Bunch of crap from a person who was -obviously- on the winning side, who wasn't the slightest inconvenienced by 'those people' dying... the winners get to write the history, and its apparent this mook was on the right side when the shit went down..

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  7. Illegal immigrants are by definition a problem. A huge problem. Many legal immigrants are also a problem. BUT. The biggest problem are the US citizens who are so aggressively pushing and facilitating immigration. Don't forget who are the root cause of the problem.

    The thugs, the welfare parasites, and outright criminal gangs are symptoms. The causes are your legislators, your community activists and organizers, even misguided churchmen and others out to "repair the ills of the world" in the most naive (or spitefully malicious as the case may be) ways possible.

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    And T-Town has it absolutely right. I would add that the technically-certified (or degreed) but actually incompetent thing is not limited to computers and electronics, we have it in Medicine too. Not only do you get incompetence, you also get breathtaking arrogance.

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  8. I didn't expect such anger over my post, but I also don't think that people would make assumptions without actually reading all of it, either. I said that MOST of the immigrants take manual labor jobs that LOTS of Americans won't do. I didn't say the word ALL. The reason that many of the foreign workers will work as migrant workers, following the harvest season around, making minimum wage or working for piece work, is because they are content to live without the amenities that many Americans are used to. I live in Michigan, was raised in farming country where I also worked alongside of those migrant workers, and many of them were based in Texas, coming up to Michigan in the early part of summer, to work the harvest of every crop that started from Asparagus in the spring, to cherries, blueberries, apples, and other types of produce that is grown around here.
    Entire families would work together, and many farmers had housing for the workers to live in while they were here. I don't know if they were legally in America or not. I was a high school student, and didn't care, I was just trying to make some money.
    As for the person with the certificate from the Ganges Institute for Advanced Riverine Defacation, while that may make you feel superior, from my experience, the people that I have met, during my work, who have been brought in as consultants for troubleshooting our various computer equipment or electronic controls for various furnaces and vacuum pumping systems, that appeared to be from outside the United States, based on both their looks and their accents, have always been extremely smart, and capable. If you would bother to look up any statistics, you would find that the United States trails a large number of nations when it comes to the quality of students that we turn out from our high schools. In fact, those who enter college now, must spend most of their first year in college doing remedial work, just to catch up on the basics that they should have learned in high school. So don't be so quick to disparage people from places such as India or some of the Asian nations. Of course they have their share of worthless losers, just like we do here. But they also have a lot of hard working, studious people who are willing to put forth the effort to become educated, competent and capable at their jobs, in order to become more than a drain on society, but to be the best that they can possibly be. Just like here in America.
    The article about civil war and how it has already begun here in the United States, you can either believe it or not. That part doesn't matter. What matters is that we know that there is the possibility of it happening, and we have seen the writing on the wall for some time now. This article is just one more in a large number of warnings that we have been given, and it would be a mistake to ignore the signs. Instead, we should make the preps that will allow us to weather anything that we can anticipate coming to pass. We of course know that America is not Sri Lanka. But many have read Sun Tzu's the Art of War, and have learned a lot out of it, that they can apply to their situation today. The same thing goes for this article. Even though we are not of the same exact situation, we can take from it the things that fit ourselves, and use them, and discard the rest. But we can always learn from the lessons of others.

    pigpen51

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    1. "United States trails a large number of nations when it comes to the quality of students that we turn out from our high schools"

      Then the solution is to fix the schools (or better, homeschool), rather than import these others. They can stay in their own countries and make them better, instead of shitholes. Everyone wins.

      The line of argument above sounds like problem-reaction-solution. Classic Marxist dialectic.

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    2. +10...Well said.
      Thank you pigpen.

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    3. Damn, I wrote this thing that turned out to be too many characters (too long) to post. So here's just the part on US schools:

      Yes, lots of US schools stink. Why is that? Two main reasons. First, bad people have taken over the educational system from the top, and percolated their poison downwards. Second, our schools have been deliberately dumbed down, ostensibly so that no child will have poor self-esteem or some such shit, but we all know it is to prevent "disparate" promotion and graduation rates. If you're trying to graduate people with a mean IQ of 85 (and no good role scholarly models at home, and worse yet terrible impulse control) your program has to be pretty damned basic. As to the bad influence from the top, turns out the Frankfurt School was not nearly as German as the name seems to imply. Go look up the "leading lights" of that movement before Wikipedia memory-holes the information.

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  9. All you M...F...rs need to go back to where you came from.

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  10. I take exception to the author of this piece; America hasn't collapsed, not by a long shot. MAGA 2020.

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  11. You won't see white people picking our fruit because the globalist/corporatist shit heads have engineered it because the immigrant will do it cheaper including the H1B visa bullshit. Raise the wages and it will get done by our people, oh wait the government regulations will cost the employer the difference. Oh wait maybe thats why they regulate to get the wealthy business owners and CEO's to donate to their campaign.

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