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Tuesday, September 15, 2020

Prepping for the possible coming Civil War


-Mark

While this is a simplistic video, she does bring up some good points.

One thing she doesn't bring up is the fact that damned near all the distribution centers for stores are located in or near bigger cities. Even if your rural area is safe from rioting or looting, the cities where these centers are located may not be and your supply chain may be cut off.

Stock up while you can. Even if shit doesn't play out the way we all fear it will, it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. If things don't turn bad, you'll be giving your budget a break after the beginning of the year.

Buy canned goods. Lots of canned goods. That includes canned meats as well as vegetables. Buy a few bucks worth of canned goods every time you shop. Consider going to your local off-brand canned foods store - here it's Save-a-Lot - where prices are about half of what you'll find at Walmart.
Stock up on rice and beans too. Matter of fact, remember what the stores couldn't get or keep in stock at the beginning of the coronavirus scare and stock up on that. Here it was baking supplies, TP, rice, beans, and milk. Milk freezes well, so if you have room in your freezer, buy that too.

Water - clean water is a must. There's plenty of filtration systems out there, so you can shop around. I've got a Sawyer gravity fed system HERE that's good for something like 2 million gallons. They run about 40 bucks.
Once you have that, all you need to do is figure out a water collection system. If you live in an area that gets plenty of rain, buy or make yourself a gutter diversion system.

First aid supplies - get 'em while you can. When that coronavirus bullshit happened, you couldn't find rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide to save your life. It's on the shelves now and it's cheap, so stock up while it's still available. As far as infections go, you can buy fishmox (amoxicillin) antibiotics in 500 mg capsules without a prescription at chewy.com, shipped right to your house.
Bathroom stuff - toilet paper is back on the shelf, buy it while you can. Soap is inexpensive - Ivory soap is something like $3.50 for a 10 bar package. Don't forget deodorants and toothpaste too.

Got a generator? A freezer full of meat ain't worth a damn if the power goes out. When we first moved here Lisa insisted on buying a generator, remembering a freeze that they had when she'd lived here before. Power was out for 10 days. I didn't want to spend a thousand bucks on a generator so my father-in-law suggested going to Harbor Freight and buying one, which I did. I picked up a 4000 watt generator HERE for 350 bucks. Harbor Freight is known for cheap shit but I have to tell you I haven't had a one bit of problems with my cheap one in the 4 1/2 years we've had it. We got a freeze our first winter here and that generator ran like a champ for 3 solid days until we got power back on. I don't have power in my shed so if I need a light or power for a tool, I have to use my generator. I haven't started it in a week or two but I know I can walk out there right now and it'll fire on the first or second pull of the rope. A full tank of gas, about 3 gallons as I recall, lasts about 8 hours. Yes, they make a California approved model as well.

Of course that generator doesn't do much good without gas. Buy some gas cans and keep as much Sta-Bil treated gas on hand as you can, and rotate it out so it doesn't go bad. And if you hate those fucking spouts that come with the cans as much as I do, you can buy free flowing gas spouts with vents online from Tractor Supply.
I learned my lesson when that pipeline down in Alabama blew up a few years ago. Wisco emailed me that night advising me to go fill up while I can, but I put it off until the next morning. When I did get out and about the next day, there wasn't a drop of gas to be found in the entire county. I had a quarter tank of gas in my truck and one 5 gallon can for my lawn mower to last the week until the stations started selling again. Now I keep my mower full, I have 35 gallons in cans and anytime my truck gets down to 3/4 of a tank, I top off. And yes, I plan on getting at least another 3 cans in the next couple weeks. 

If you can keep chickens where you live, consider getting some hens. They'll provide you with a steady source of protein in eggs during the warmer months and they eat damned near anything. I've got 4 and they give me a dozen eggs every 4-5 days. A 50 pound bag of laying feed costs me under 20 bucks and lasts for a couple months. You can build a coop and henhouse out of chicken wire and scrap material.

Guns and ammo - I don't know what to tell you there. Anybody and everybody that reads this blog knows that if (and that's a big if) it can be found now, the prices are outrageous. I damned sure can't afford to buy any ammo myself. I'm sitting on what I have now.

So there it is. Take stock of what you use the most and what you have on hand, then plan accordingly.






58 comments:

  1. Comms and optics.

    Chutes Magoo

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  2. With .22LR at 12+ cents today, I'm thinking it's time to start practicing with a wrist rocket & nickels. Cheaper than shells, & you can probably find a bunch back from target area!
    Jeez. It's been 4 1/2 years already?
    Jerry

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    1. Wrist rockets are a great idea, but you might consider pellet guns as well. But consider fast... the good pump-operated ones are getting hard to find.

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    2. Or a cap and ball pistol. Cast your round balls, and 350 rounds per pound of powder.

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    3. Jerry - Yup, it's been 4 1/2 years already. California ain't nothing but a bad memory now.

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  3. Beyond stabilized gasoline consider non ethanol gas available at marinas. Small engines hate ethanol.

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    1. Get the puregas app. There are lots of gas stations that sell non-ethanol gas that don't accept arms and legs.

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  4. Get the canned meat while you can. Locally, it is just now starting to get back on the shelves. Meat, even chili, tamales, and spaghetti o's were out of stock most of the summer but they are showing back up now.

    Get some canned fruit too. It doesn't have to be heated to be palatable to eat.
    Make sure you plant some bell peppers. They have quite a bit of Vitamin C. Without the C you end up with Scurvy. Peppers are easy to grow.

    Peanut butter is good too. Palatable, can eat without cooking straight from the jar, you can use it to cook with too. Protein and fats, can't be beat.

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    1. Rose hips for tea. Highest vitamin C level of any natural plant product.

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  5. Harbor Freight? The junkiest crap you can waste you're money on.

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    1. "Your"

      Yeah? I've got a couple hundred hours on my HF generator and it's still running strong. I know a couple people that's got the exact same generator that swear by them. Of course, if you wanted to spend 3 times the money on a Honda generator that puts out half the wattage, go right ahead.
      I will agree with you as far as 99% of their tools though.

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    2. I do have a 6500 watt Honda generator. I've had it for close to 20 years and have thousands of hours on it. Get back to me when you have a couple thousand hours on it.
      So a hf generator is the "good" 1% of the crap they sell. Interesting.
      Thanks for correcting me too.. I always appreciate that.

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    3. It sounds like you appreciate being corrected as much as Kenny appreciates being talked down to. DannyT

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    4. If all you can afford is Horrible Fright, then that's still better than nothing. A lot of the HF stuff works great if you make sure to clean it or check it out before starting it. A lot of their tools are under-lubricated.

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    5. I have been buying Harbor Freight equipment for well over 40 years. In the 1980's I was running repair crews offshore to oil platforms. Everyone of my 16 field hands had a Kenedy tool box full of Harbor Freight tools. I still have lots of that stuff laying around. Every new tool I am considering, I will judge all others against Harbor Freight's inventory. ALL electric tools are made in China. Why pay more for one when the same factory is making the Harbor Freight?

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  6. Canning supplies. I can the garden and usually can a deer every year. My buddy lost a freezers worth of meat when it went out on him. He now cans also. I’ve canned on the stovetop, turkey fryer , propane grill, and even charcoal once.

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  7. If it works, it works. Take care of it and feed it well. Oil and good fuel. If you maintain it, it works longer.

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  8. If I find myself in a grid down situation that looks to last more than a couple weeks, my generator will keep the freezer and fridge good. I have stored gas to go a couple months of intermittent use (freezer doesn't need to run 24/7). But there's more. While I'm keeping the freezer cold, I'll be thawing meat in batches, cooking and canning it in the pressure canner for long term, room temp storage. And the growing empty space in the freezer will be available for restocking with fresh meat if it becomes available via anything between .22LR and 30.06.

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  9. Me, I’m not going to Tucson for the winter. Staying right here in Challis! Not much going on here. Specially when it’s -30 degrees in the winter.
    What one will go thru to not have to shoot some fucknut in the face. Been there don’t want that work again.

    Cavguy

    Love you Ken! And all you other knuckle draggers!!!

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    1. I come through Challis in my travels Brother you up for coffee sometime at the Village Inn Restaurant?

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    2. Sure!! I am currently located at the the big Gray structure at intersection of 93 and 75. Go inside ask for The Colonel

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  10. Peanut butter's #2 ingredient is nearly always SUGAR. So I guess get some natural stuff or a 100 lb. back of peanuts themselves.

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    1. I don't think we should rag on sugar. It is highly concentrated, low cost calories. I've read "South" by Sir Ernest Shackleton several times; If anyone knew hard-core survival, it was him. He and his men dined on sugar cubes several times over the course of their stay on the ice. While not nutritious, sugar is nothing else, concentrated calories. Calories are very important as a survival food. Taste, fiber, and balanced diet mean nothing if we wither away. Besides, without some carbohydrates, we can't process protein properly; hence "rabbit starvation".

      So buy a few bags of sugar. And flour. And jars of Centrum Blue multi-vitamins.

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    2. I agree on your peanut butter statement. Just thinking about what i am about to state, causes increased salivation....Smucker's is the Rolls Royce of peanut butter and it is priced accordingly. I would caution you that it will spoil you for anything else after you try it once. If you are feckless enough to not heed my admonition, store it with lid side down; you'll understand. Refrigerate after opening if you can.

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    3. Sugar is good for energy and along with the salt keeps bacterial growth down. There is a reason a container of peanut butter or cheese spread has been in every C-rat pack or MRE for the last 70 years.

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    4. Sugar = Carbs. Something your body will need in a SHTF situation. When you are trying to survive, calories are calories.

      Like was mentioned below, add spices. Wars were fought and the world conquered by the British for spices. Iodized salt is also something to add. If you do not live on the coast, you can suffer an Iodine deficiency. During WWI a large number of draftees were rejected because they had goiters in their necks. The goiters were caused by iodine deficiency.

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  11. I have been through a hurricane and have had some practice at this. A generator keeping freezers and refrigerators cold uses about 5 gallons of gas a day. The freezer and fridge don't use a lot of power just a long time running. If you doubt it give it a try. Of course having batteries and chargers on hand helps use the generated power more efficiently, but still, avoiding frozen food is the best way to go. 50 gallons of gas will keep the generator running for 10 days. 50 gallons of kerosene will keep your lamps burning for a year. Also, running a generator when everyone else around you is in desperate condition just makes you a very prime target. ---ken

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    1. I am just wondering, I haven't seen anything on the web "look" at a step-by-step power source like this. You get some deep cycle batteries, even re-built golf cart batteries. You have to have enough to run your fridge and or freezer, maybe at different times. You also need an inverter and some way to charge the batteries. A small gas generator plus a solar panel (both from Harbor Freight) may be a good system. You watch the temps in the freezer and fridge and only run them when they need to be run. The batteries do not need to be charged all the time. You watch the battery voltage and charge with solar when you can and run a small gen-set when there's no sun.
      I think with a little coordination of parts and pieces, you could make 50 gallons of gas last a month, and not ever have to start stripping the freezer.

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    2. If you are going the generator route, instead of two big solar panels & associated solar equipment, be sure to get a NON-defrosting refrigerator and a NON-defrosting chest freezer. Open once a day to remove the items you need for the day, and run the generator for only an hour in the morning and an hour at sunset. It will not take 5-gallons of gasoline a day. Be sure to freeze blue-ice blocks which can be rotated from the freezer to a cooler for day items.

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  12. +1000 on the Sawyer system. Can't beat it with a stick!!

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  13. +1000 on the Sawyer gravity system! Giardia is bad, mmmmkay? (quoting you, Kenny on drugs! lol)

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  14. Have to second the HF generators. Have 2, one big enough to handle most of the house. If I turn the well and a cpl of things off can even run the Central AC if need be. Smaller one for work around the homestead when needed. Parts if needed easy to find and cheap. Strongly suggest a conversion kit that also allows it run on LP or nat gas.They are five years old and have never let me down yet. Lots of good advice above.
    -Dirtroaddoc

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    1. Be very careful running air cooled generators on propane. A small engine expert I talked to said that propane burns a LOT hotter than gasoline, so cooling is critical. Even then, plan on burning out the valves and have spare parts on hand.

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  15. ...and if the budget allows go for solar panels, deep cycle Li-ion battery and pure sine inverter.
    Pure sine is a very good idea for any petrol gen too if you run electronics.
    First aid supplies AND learn first aid or go through a book or download one/more.
    Stock up on multivitamins too.
    Peanut butter, muesli, baked beans and sardines form the basis of my food stockpile. Bulk size seasonings like salt, pepper, chili along with your favourite supplements (protein powder, creatine etc)
    Night vision scopes, lasers, stun guns & knives on top of firearms too would be a good idea.

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  16. Remember that your hot water heater serves as the water tank in an emergency. Just make sure that you periodically flush water from the Drain valve, so that it is not full f rust when you need it. You should be doing this anyway, but many neglect it. In an emergency, turn off the gas or power switch for electric models, and turn off the fill valve.

    When city water resumes, reverse the process.

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  17. Forget rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide. Learn how to make Dakins Solution. Dakins cost way less and does just as well, if not better

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  18. Calling B.S. on the amoxicillin. Just checked chewy.com, and no aquarium stuff (fishmox). 500mg, 250mg amoxicillin is available for dogs, cats and horses, but a veterinarian prescription is required.

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    1. The 100 and 50 capsule 500mg bottles are out of stock at the moment but they still have the 30 capsule bottles. No prescription required.
      https://www.chewy.com/fish-aid-antibiotics-amoxicillin/dp/185203

      Check back for the larger quantity - I ordered and received mine just last month.

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    2. Can get anything from Thailand if you are risky enough.

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  19. My suburban hell is a cul-de-sac populated be teachers married to federal employees, (three households!) IT Indians,(all commies) and an Army vet who is anti-gun and married to a PRC Chinese chick. If SHTF, I'm already down a magazine or two of my basic load. And zero chance of back-up.

    I'm thinking to make up so Wu Flu Quarantine signs and see if that doesn't keep the wolves at bay. Although I have my doubts.

    OTH, Keep at least 4 sheets of 3/4 plywood and a rik of 2x4s to board up your windows. I know all of you already have jars of 2", 3", and 4" GP screws in your workshops. And fire extinguishers; you can never have too many of those.

    And like the girl said: Whisky!! You can never have too much, (unless you're driving).

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  20. One thing that most preppers don't think about or think that they don't need and that is a Community of like-minded self sufficient people...Glad I've been working on that for as long as I have because I've got good people on my side that have great influence in the Community that our town will have a good chance of pulling through with not a lot of casualties...You really think your going to be able to hide what you have from your Community that you live in??? Good luck with that... It's a whole lot better to have people that you might have to feed but there on your side than a whole lot of pissed off hungry people that want your shit...Oh and all you Opsec people out there good luck hiding in the woods...

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    1. You've been preaching that for a good long while now, and I've taken your words to heart - I've been working with my neighbors as well, especially the folks across the road. We get along really great. What they may need, we've got and vice versa, and we've talked about and planned for mutual defense.

      As far as your last sentence, I laugh every time I hear about somebody planning to do just that. I think "Yeah, you and everybody else." Those woods are going to be awful damned crowded with everybody competing with each other for food.
      I have spent a LOT of time running around the Sierras and I'm here to tell you, there's damned little to eat in the mountains and woods. You'll expend a lot more calories looking for food than if you raised it yourself. As far as game goes, that will be hunted out in no time flat.

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    2. Exactly right Brother if people would just look at history they could see that option of hiding long term is probably the worst one out there in terms of survival...

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  21. Too poor for preps now, but I have to recommend #11 scalpel blades. They are THE BEST for removing splinters and thorns.

    you can get the super nice ones for $$/box, or just get the $6 box of 100.

    -arc

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  22. Freezers, like generators are good for the short term, but are only effective as long as there is something available to power them. Freezing milk, butter, buttermilk, eggs, bread, etc. is an easy way to extend the life of whatever staple is being stored. I keep cornmeal, flour, and shortening in the freezer too. These will all become rancid if not properly stored. Also, the cold helps prevent weevils. I don't have a problem with Harbor Freight merchandise. I know a friend of mine keeps a HF generator on his service truck. It has served him well for years. It is good to have spare filters and spark plugs on hand for such items. Mechanical/electrical things fail at the darnedest times. I've been looking at dual fuel generators (LP and gasoline). There are conversion kits available as well. A simple solar panel-marine battery-inverter system is useful for charging small items, powering LED (think Christmas lights and other low wattage bulbs), and running some power tools. Since we live in "tornado alley" and have the occasional hurricane which leads to loss of electrical power, I keep plenty of "coal oil" lights on hand. Diesel fuel works fine in these and with properly trimmed wicks the smell is about the same as kerosene. Off-road diesel is cheap and five gallons will run several lamps for a long time. Water is not a problem where I live. We have plenty. Bleach can be used for quick purification and many other things. Vinegar is an item that has multiple uses too. Keep plenty of liquid dishwashing soap in store. It can be used not only for dishes, but washing clothes, and personal hygiene. AA and AAA batteries are great to have on hand. There are tons of LED lamps and flashlights available which are inexpensive yet efficient that can be powered by these batteries. Jars, rings, and lids are handy if you can find them (they are as scare as ammo right now). Butter, vegetables, and even meats can be canned for the longterm. Canned venison is easy and delicious. I believe some of these items have been covered, but just in case comms, optics, guns, ammo, condiments, salt/pepper, bullion cubes or powder and food, have been covered or touched upon earlier. Plan accordingly and be ready for a "pop quiz". Good luck and Godspped!

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  23. GoSun makes a decent solar-powered cooler/refrigerator that is a good back-up in case a generator fails or runs out of fuel. It's not exactly cheap, but sunlight is free, so...

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  24. Having been through 6 PG&E 'Public Safety Power Shutoffs' last year, here's a tip y'all might find useful. I have a chest style freezer. It was completely full with mostly food, but I also crammed as many frozen milk jugs in there as I could. The freezer was set as low as it would go, which makes the thermometer inside read 10 below zero. During the outages I never opened the lid and never had it plugged into a generator. At the end of longest shutoff, which was 59 1/2 hours, the temperature was still below freezing when the power was restored.
    Your mileage may vary.

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  25. Cooking oil.
    Don't forget cooking oil.

    -rightwingterrorist

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  26. I would say this is a TEOTWAWKI topic but I think that moment has come and gone. Dont forget the refugee folks as you will have to deal with them one way or another. Guns and stuff are great but comms rule the day. No dialogue no.........
    R

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  27. Remember, any Generator, especially the portable, gas-powered ones, make enough noise to be heard for at least a Mile in still-air conditions. Just like Lights, they draw in the Zombies like Flies to Manure. Even if your immediate neighborhood is filled with 'friendlies', you don't want to draw attention to the fact you have supplies. Have a 'Blackout' plan, and Test it- if any Light can be seen thorough your windows on a Cloudy, Moonless Night, you are 'exposed.' Same with a Generator- if it can be heard at all from more than a hundred Meters, it's too loud.

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  28. One other thing about the gennie...since you can't even find gas that's not part ethanol, it's a great idea to keep some starting fluid handy so if the carb gets gummed up from the corn gas, you can give it a squirt and a balky gen or other gas-powered tool, will start right up. I know this from experience :)

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    1. I always kill my small engines by cutting off the gas supply rather than using the kill switch. That helps immensely in keeping the carbs from gumming up. Matter of fact, my splitter quit running this past spring and as long as I was working on it, I pulled the carb to clean it and it was clean as a whistle. No residue whatsoever.
      But I've got 3-4 gas stations in my town of 5,000 people that sells non-ethanol gas, but sometimes I get lazy and fill my cans with corn gas when I'm topping off my truck.

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  29. Sometimes simple works best, particularly when trying to reach people who have never 'prepped' before. In my case, I grew up in a household where we tried to be as self sufficient as possible. Makes it easy for me. My wife's background has nothing to do with long term preparedness so this is new to her. I was glad to find she saw the value in having things on hand. Trying to teach the kids that having some things on hand may save their lives.

    That said, I have made lists of items that range all over the map (food, medical, cleaning, household, etc...sorted of course) and attached a priority to each item ranging from required to 'nice but not necessary'. I am working to figure out quantities for everything in a min and max range. You have to make sure that stock is rotated. I vacuum seal nearly everything that goes in the freezer and I make sure I put purchase and expire dates on things. It is a process to be sure, but you can't put a price on peace of mind. It's also not cheap. We started off this year with minimal resources but have managed to slowly build things up.

    Side benefits: Changing our eating habits to match what we can reasonably store has made a positive impact on our health. I have managed to drop 30 pounds (30 more to go) and it has been pretty easy to do. Making our own food from the basic components is far more tasty and I have been able to control the ingredients to minimize preservatives and fat. Even the kids like it. My wife's doc told her to increase her fiber intake and cut the calories down. Funny how home cooking has done just that as well. It has also saved us money at the grocery store which has allowed me to stock up a little faster but also put a few more dollars away each month. The only downside is it takes more time, but then again, lack of time isn't as much a factor now that we just don't go out and about like we used to.

    Also funny that our video gal mentions neighbors. I know them all and we all are doing pretty much the same thing. Except that one who has a complete arsenal... I will never catch up with him in that department. The folks who want to plunder my neighborhood are in for a big surprise.

    This is a project and process that is never truly finished, but I sleep better knowing that we can hold out for some time and be OK. The really tough one is the prescription medications. Some things we have managed to build a small buffer, others not. No easy answer for this one.

    Bottom line is this: We are healthier, better prepared for whatever comes along, and actually a lot happier than we used to be. Even though the current situation and reasons for doing all of this suck, I can't be upset at the unanticipated but positive side effects.

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  30. Well, it sounds like you're on the right track for sure.
    I was pretty lucky that I grew up fairly poor. Not poor poor, but money was always tight, especially when my father was overseas and Mom was living away from access to the commissary and PX. She always tried to make sure there was enough canned goods, among other things, to last 6 months to a year, and I picked up on that habit.

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  31. tHANK you! - no one shooting around here like normal - Everyone's sitting

    sure hope this isn't the damn calm before the storm

    appreciate too the amox tip

    Good Patriot is "fun" and informational enough to share with the kids/family/friends

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    1. Everybody else around here is sitting on their ammo too. Used to be, I could walk out any time of the day and here somebody popping off a few rounds. Not any more. If somebody's shooting, it's very noticable.
      I did go out today and burned some ammo. I had to, I was going crazy.

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  32. Good information. But don't forget the reaction plan. What are you going to do when the SHTF? Who is in charge of doing what? How are you going to find each other? How are you going to communicate? Etc.

    Food: Exactly how much do you need to store? I see a lot of advice to store 3 months, or up to a year of food. But how many meals is that? 3 meals per day for 3 people for 13 weeks is 819 meals. That's a lot of food. Are you going to eat only rice and beans for all those meals?
    That's why I'm doing some meal planning. I have a couple of campfire cookbooks and simple cooking recipe books with my food store. I'm buying my emergency food based on recipes in those books.
    Speaking of campfires. The idea of cooking over an open fire is crazy. It is very inefficient. A contained fire in, for instance, a ranger or hobo stove will be hotter and use less wood.
    Let's keep sharing the good information. Because oh boy did I fuck up my first attempt at creating an emergency food supply.

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  33. Can you step outside the concept of 'civil war'?
    Can you imagine a non-war?

    We operate a small organic teaching farm near the outskirts of Eugene Oregon.

    Inside every bush, the goofballs live in hovels of warehouse pallets covered by blue tarps.
    On their stolen bicycles, they travel silent.
    They constantly travel every road and trail, checking every door and shed for anything to steal.

    Anybody with a bicycle trailer after sunset is a thief.
    They steal everything.

    They know everything about your property.
    They know your routines, your dogs, they know the number of Military Age Males... and the number of females of any age.
    They know your response methods and response times after they trigger an alarm.

    They outnumber you by the hundreds.
    They are professionals in the art of stealth.
    Everything they possess is easily abandoned, and quickly replaced.

    How ready are you to take defense to their hovels while they recover from a tough night of thieving?

    *****

    One example of their stealth:
    A couple-three years ago in the middle of the night, a goofball left three garbage-bags packed with aluminum cars on my motorhome deck.
    I didn't hear anything.
    My dogs snoozing near the door didn't hear anything.
    My hint was a slight imbalance in the rig.
    Could you silently set three trash-bags of aluminum cans on a metal deck in the middle of the night?
    Then silently return later to silently retrieve them?

    The goofballs are protected by LawEnforcementOfficials.
    Without LawEnforcementOfficials, every lamppost would have goofballs swinging.

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