Ya know the whole thing is completely fucked up, not surprisingly, but still WTF? I know a few years ago the aTf sent letters when you bought a “braced”gun it was completely legal and not a SBR or a SBS. Now? Fuck them and their flip floppy mandates. CIII
The pro gun group Gun Owner's of America (GOA) has a form letter for sending to the White House to "ask" the president to reign in the ATF on this issue.
https://gunowners.org/na10072020/
(Use your your never-Trumper cousin's name and address to send a second letter. :D )
The difference is the "pistol brace" on AR pistols can be and often is used as a shoulder stock. I see it all the time at the range, and even in some videos. Not long ago Kenny posted a video about sighting in a carbine in which the guy used the brace as a shoulder stock. I'm actually surprised the ATF hasn't classified ARs with braces as SBRs before now. I have a Shockwave and it's impossible to use the bird's head grip as a shoulder stock. Without a shoulder stock it probably can't be classified as a short barreled shotgun but they may try to call it a destructive device since the bore is larger than half inch, or an AOW (any other weapon). If they do, installing an 18" barrel makes it a legal M590.
You're correct. field agents at that, offering nothing more than a "opinion". For what it's worth, our liberty and market(s) would be better off having had the ATF and NFA wholly abolished .
Only Two? Word that I have heard on the ATF for the past 25 years is they are all fucking commie anti-gunners. But who am I to get in front of an army of gestapo?
Ya know the whole thing is completely fucked up, not surprisingly, but still WTF? I know a few years ago the aTf sent letters when you bought a “braced”gun it was completely legal and not a SBR or a SBS. Now? Fuck them and their flip floppy mandates.
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according to the vcdl, this has been elevated to the white house, so this is not likely to stand.
ReplyDelete#1 I think the ATF rules on SBRs are ridiculous and nonsense.
ReplyDelete#2 The "brace" for AR pistol style guns are 100% intended to circumvent the SBR laws.
The pro gun group Gun Owner's of America (GOA) has a form letter for sending to the White House to "ask" the president to reign in the ATF on this issue.
ReplyDeletehttps://gunowners.org/na10072020/
(Use your your never-Trumper cousin's name and address to send a second letter. :D )
Scurvy
It will only be a matter of time before they go after all of us folks who bought the Mossberg Shockwave or Remington TAC-14. Plan accordingly.
ReplyDeleteThe difference is the "pistol brace" on AR pistols can be and often is used as a shoulder stock. I see it all the time at the range, and even in some videos. Not long ago Kenny posted a video about sighting in a carbine in which the guy used the brace as a shoulder stock. I'm actually surprised the ATF hasn't classified ARs with braces as SBRs before now.
DeleteI have a Shockwave and it's impossible to use the bird's head grip as a shoulder stock. Without a shoulder stock it probably can't be classified as a short barreled shotgun but they may try to call it a destructive device since the bore is larger than half inch, or an AOW (any other weapon).
If they do, installing an 18" barrel makes it a legal M590.
This.
DeleteShoulda bought one when they were reasonably priced.
I hear it was two rouge anti gunners at the aTF.
ReplyDeleteYou're correct. field agents at that, offering nothing more than a "opinion".
DeleteFor what it's worth, our liberty and market(s) would be better off having had the ATF and NFA wholly abolished .
BV
Only Two? Word that I have heard on the ATF for the past 25 years is they are all fucking commie anti-gunners. But who am I to get in front of an army of gestapo?
Delete'Two rogue anti-gunners...'
Delete'Two rouge anti-gunners' translates as 'two red anti-gunners.' Well, that works, too.
Holdover commies in the agency.
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