Oregonians have approved Measure 110, which decriminalizes possession of small amounts of heroin, cocaine, LSD, oxycodone and some other drugs, according to the Associated Press.
Wednesday, November 04, 2020
And the death rate of Oregon suddenly increases by 200%
PORTLAND, Ore (KOIN) — Fifty years after the War On Drugs began in the 1970s, Oregon voters decided on an alternative path: decriminalization for user-amounts of illicit substances and accompanying recovery treatment options instead of jail time.
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I actually think this should be nationwide, sorta like Portugal.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the hardcore addicts will just die out faster. Kind of a win/win.
Encourage (legalization) that behavior and there will be more of that behavior. Addicts won't die off, there will be more of them.
DeleteJust a taste of what's to come is, the taxpayers will pay more and more for drug treatment programs; medical facilities (hospitals, inclusive) will be negatively affected; your possessions will be at greater risk of theft and you will be set against if you try to protect from this burgeoning class; property insurance will become more expensive.
Like I said, that's just a taste of things to come.
And with the addicts comes the crimes and diseases associated with them.
DeleteThe Netherlands tried to ignore it, and it didn't work.
like Rick said. this is usually where I part ways with libertarians. they want to open up the floodgates but they treat it like an intellectual exercise rather than understanding the true consequences.
DeleteBeing a libertarian myself - we believe if you want to shoot up, then it's on you. No medical insurance then no narcan when you OD, no ambulance for ODs or life support.
DeleteCommit crimes = serious jail not no cash bail release.
Libertarians believe you are responsible for your actions. Libs want all the perks but zero responsibility.
Conservatives say no perks at all - ignoring the medical benefits i.e. THC instead of pharmaceuticals with suicide/violence side effects. Excellent example is treating seizures and Parkinsons tremors.
I'm resigned the two shall never meet. It's stupid.
My point - don't assign to libertarians half their beliefs. You od then too fking bad if you die. No ambulance will respond for that bad life decision.
Big distinction.
"Peaceful Protesters" strung out on LSD, heroin, and cocaine. Just wait until the paranoia ramps up. As the man said: This is gonna get good.
ReplyDeleteHell, I'm all for it. I'm very pro-choice ... I think of this as very late term abortion; a natural selection kinda thing.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm old, cranky, and very tired of giving a damn.
Let us not ignore the increase in infectious diseases.
ReplyDeleteAnd all the states that had legalization of weed on the ballot passed. I'm sure it brought out a lot of stoners to vote for Biden that normally wouldn't have bothered.
ReplyDeleteDoes "recovery treatment options" cost more than jail?
ReplyDeleteThat's a good question. Of the top I would say they cost the same although there are different costs. Of course, there may be substantial differences in case by case which would make answering your question rather difficult.
DeleteThe prices for a good treatment program run into the tens of thousands and that's just for starters and doesn't guarantee success. Recovery would likely last the life of the addict and as likely involve several relapses. As addict serious about changing would have to ditch all his 'friends' and start anew. Changing behaviors but staying within the same environment is a recipe of failure.
And they'll all be counted as Covid 19 related deaths per the CDC.
ReplyDeleteUntil the Harrison Act past passed in 1914 ALL narcotics were legal and readily available. America was doing just fine without narcotics laws.....and we will do
ReplyDeletejust fine if we got rid of them now.
Coca-Cola actually contained Cocaine back in the day. Street drugs have been largely demonized. My G-father was rumored to hang on in the Opium dens on the Bowery in San Francisco. They were legal back at the turn of the century.
DeleteIf Biden winds up winning I think you'll see a push to legalize Cannabis nationwide. The Banksters will be in favor since it represents a new business market for them.
Illegal to produce and sell, not illegal to use. Oregon logic?
ReplyDeleteThey be havin sum upstandin citizens movin in.
ReplyDeleteHopefully from CA to OR.
DeleteAnd they raised the price of a carton of cigarettes by $20.
ReplyDeleteIn Oregon, not all drugs are "good".
They also implemented a tax on vapes. For the children, of course.
DeleteI say legalize everything, but DNR the overdoses.
ReplyDeleteKeep them high and keep them voting.
ReplyDeleteIt WORKS!
If your daughter was taking drugs, would you want her jailed (which does not help her or stop addiction) or would you want her medically treated? America has the largest percentage of our population in jail than any other country. Let the stupid take drugs and die
ReplyDeleteTreated the first time. Here's your wake-up call. 2nd? Something a little harsher. 3rd time? Fuckem. They're an addict and refuse to stop, so take them out of society.
DeleteSame with drunks. Treatment the first. Treatment in a locked ward the second. Third time means they refuse to learn, fuck them.
And, yes, I have addicts in my family. It does nothing for the addict to pamper the little bitch.
As to 'largest percentage of our population, blah blah blah...' That's because the country is either fucked, like Sweden or England, or it's so fucking harsh that people don't last long in jail or prison.
The way to stop an addict is to make being an addict so fucking harsh that they don't want to be harshed.
Pampering an addict is just encouraging the addict.
There's a reason most successful programs have the start of real recovery beginning once the addict reaches their lowest possible point before death.
It's like Narcan. All Narcan has done is make skirting death easier for an addict. In fact, many addicts are drawn to drugs that have bodies linked to them as the 'high' or whatever is so strong that it really is death.
Seriously, want to treat addicts? Quit pampering them. They've written themselves off, and only they can un-addict themselves.
Several of the people that are regulars here used to be addicts but have cleaned themselves up. No body cleaned them up. They cleaned themselves up.
The ones that don't clean themselves up? Cut them out of your life, as they'll drag you down with them. Been there, done that, got the scars and fucked financials to prove it.
Hear, hear!
Delete"If your daughter was taking drugs, would you want her jailed (which does not help her or stop addiction) or would you want her medically treated? America has the largest percentage of our population in jail than any other country. Let the stupid take drugs and die"
DeleteWe recommend a slightly different solution, one that is absolutely guaranteed to end addiction, with no chance of a relapse, ever.
- Singapore
Cool, when Colorado made weed legal, lots of homeless flocked to Colorado. I'm hoping they'll go to Oregon from CA and do it all there and die there, makes no difference to me.
ReplyDeleteI'm still trying to figure out how someone else can tell me what I can or cannot put into, or do to, my body. Rick, you want to take this one?
ReplyDeleteSure, the issue is not what you can or cannot do to your body. It is about the ramifications/consequences of negative behaviors to others in society. Because we live in a society. If one wants to engage in certain behaviors and those behaviors will have a negative impact on society then they should divorce themselves from society.
DeleteThe cost of illicit drugs is higher than I want to be exposed to. I'm not talking only of dollar costs but also of the fracturing of society as people live as 'anything goes' in their lives. It really comes down to one question; Why should others pay for the irresponsible indulgence of another? The list negative consequences is far too long to include here.
DeleteI don't want an addict making decisions which will likely have negative consequence on my life or family and friends. That includes voting but includes the more obvious decisions such as showing up to work while high (or distracted as they are preoccupied with thoughts of can't wait to get high again because, you know, that monkey on their back) or getting behind the wheel while stoned.
Too, addicts make terrible decisions. They'll lie and cheat while looking you straight in the eye. Can't trust them for nothing. And they will bring filth and disease into your home or workplace. Legalization has had very minimal effect on that. Of course we're not talking about weed here. Now its smack and mushrooms and whatever else is on the menu. Hard drugs.
And that guy with communicable diseases just doesn't give a shit whether you contract what he's giving or not. Because, you know, their preoccupation. And callous disregard because of constantly on the prowl for the next high.
A few years ago I was paired up at work with a heroin addict. He freely admitted his addiction. I also noticed the skin boils and rotted teeth. I asked about that and he said he has several infectious diseases. He actually joked about it. He offered to infect me. It was all a big joke with that clown.
I've also been rammed into by drunk drivers. Twice. As far as I'm concerned it don't much matter if its alcohol or drugs. Its all about junkie/addicts being irresponsible and others being exposed to the deleterious behaviors and thought processes.
If you want to live that way, be my guest. Because it's your body, right. But stay away from me and stay out of my society.
That's great Rick except your whole premise is faulty in that it assumes negative consequences in every case. Surely not every case of drug use results in negative consequences, right? Is every gun owner going to shoot up a school? Is every driver going to drive drunk? No, of course not. Yet we still allow people to own and use these items with the agreement that they will not be used in a harmful manner. Why does this not apply to drugs, that is to say, one can use drugs and not lie, cheat, steal, or otherwise harm someone as well as not be a burden on society. The same idea should apply: if you use drugs and harm someone else only then do you go to jail, same as gun or car owners go to jail only when they harm someone. That this doesn't happen because of lax punishment or enforcement doesn't make the other, non-harmful drug users complicit. Thought crime much?
DeleteI have one other question. When did it become YOUR society? I don't remember seeing your name as owner on the social contract, that I didn't sign by the way.
Been running EMS for 15 years. I say let the junkies shoot it up, with one condition. Narcan: "3 strikes, and you are out". Give them a small tattoo every time you give out narcan. After the third time.....sorry honey, but your ration card is full. Better luck next life.
ReplyDeleteYay! Man after my own heart. But I'm a real hard-ass. 1 free Narcan on the public's pay, and then yer screwed.
DeleteI'm not as lenient. I'd lock them up and let them sweat it out. If they make it we can talk then. What of that junkie with less than 3 strikes? He goes on to kill or maim others. As EMS you should know well that being revived does not change their behaviors. You may as well stamp all 3 tats on them at once. Being revived would probably encourage them since they would think they'll be revived the next time.
DeleteOne thing not many mention is the American psyche and ethos is not the same as European's.
ReplyDeleteSimply looking at the differences such as alcohol use and public nudity would indicate that fact. Odd as it sounds, I don't think our junkies will be as civil as theirs.
Don't forget. George Soros was one of the primary funders of the campaign to legalize drugs in OR.
ReplyDeleteNarcan should be the same price as insulin.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Because an addiction is just something 'they got' like any other medical condition?
DeleteComing soon, a black market on NARCAN?
Suicide.
ReplyDeleteSimilar to obesity and marxism, dope-fiends are intent on suicide.
Why prolong their agony with jail or treatment?
For example:
George Floyd was a suicide.
He chose to suicide by inserting a massive overdose of illegal drugs into his colon while abusing alcohol.
George Floyd chose to suicide while committing crimes against his neighbors and his community.
Suicides.
Why interfere?
I cannot afford to keep suicides alive until they have a successful suicide attempt.
My wallet is empty, my bank account is drained.
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Today is the anniversary of US Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan attacks on American 'armed forces' at Fort Hood.
2009.
He was sentenced to death.
He wants to die to be a martyr.
Let the mohammadan be a suicide.
I think that many of you are much to sanctimonious and self righteous about the narcotic drug issue. You assume that all opioid or narcotic drug users are addicted to the drugs that they take. My wife is on both fentanyl and norco, for pain. She is not an addict, but a chronic pain patient.
ReplyDeleteMyself, I am also a chronic pain patient, suffering from both chronic daily migraines and arthritis due to a broken back in my younger days. My daily migraines are not " just a headache", like many thing, but are, in fact, debilitating, with nausea and vomiting, severe pain which is nearly indescribable, and also many other symptoms, such as fever and chills, intestinal problems,etc.
In fact, I have such severe migraines, along with the back pain,that a judge agreed with my medical records and I am now on social security disability, something that I didn't want to do, with over 35 years at the same factory since the age of 18 years and 3 months.
With such pain, you would think that I would also be on some heavy duty pain medications. But unfortunately, when I used to get severe migraines, that I could not get to stop, I had to go to either a medicenter or to the ER, to get a shot of the only thing that I have found, in over 40 years that works to stop a migraine, a strong narcotic, such as demerol or morphine, and something like zofran to stop the vomiting. Because I would end up in the medicenter or ER as often as once or twice a month, I had the mark of being addicted to narcotics on my chart. So now, I am unable to get any relief for pain, from anywhere. I spoke to my doctor and while he won't prescribe pain meds on an ongoing basis, if I have something like kidney stones flare up, he will call in a small amount of norco in to get me over the pain of what is normally the most painful thing you can imagine.
So for a person like myself, to be able to have the ability to buy perhaps 20 norco 10mg pills a month, that are not placed into the federal governments database, would have possibly enabled me to continue working at least for a few more years. Working in a job that I earned 22.50$ per hour, plus as much overtime as I wanted, I made pretty decent money, which would have made my retirement income much higher. Instead, I burned through it, waiting for a decision on my disability case, working part time as a maintenance man in a trailer park, leaving or calling in sick, when needed, with a boss who was fantastic and allowed me to do so.
The main reason that drug addicts bring crime with them, is the high cost of drugs, and their addiction requires them to take ever stronger amounts of drugs to maintain the same level of high, as their bodies become tolerant of the drug. So they can no longer afford to pay for it, and resort to stealing or to begging or borrowing money from family and friends, until crime in the area is just out of control. I suspect that by making drug use a noncriminal issue, it will lower the cost of the drugs, at least by a percentage. This will in turn lower the amount of stealing to pay the high price of drugs. Don't take my word for it, look to the past. Prohibition in the 20's created men like Al Capone, and the other men who ruled the drug, alcohol,and other criminal enterprises in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, and San Diego. When you make something illegal, the criminals will move in to supply that demand, at a highly increased price,of course.
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ReplyDeleteTo quote the Angelic Upstarts: "Heroin is good for you."
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