The Visalia Times-Delta newspaper obtained a copy of the report that describes catastrophic destruction from the Castle Fire, which charred 273 square miles (707 square km) of timber in Sequoia National Park.
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They'll block roads and chain themselves to trees to prevent good forest management, but when their precious trees are killed by fire due to their bullshit actions and policies, they're strangely quiet.
Forest Service/Dept.of Agriculture policy for forest management and wildfire prevention and prosecution; has been a bullshit exercise since its inception. And the "Sierra Club" et al that protest, complain, etc.; are just as full of shit. Suggestion:if you live in the city, just stay the fuck out of the woods. I used to think that if the .gov and the tree huggers actually spent time in the wild, they'd learn. Not any more. Just fuckin' stay in town...
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But THAT is natural and therefore ok.
ReplyDeleteI've always read sequoias don't burn, rather, forest fires cause them to drop their seeds (also fireproof). So, fact check please. Logic: the trees have withstood many fires in their long long lives yet are still standing, thriving, and dropping seeds. Imagine: No gov stupidity that I pay for. When the facts of history and nature don't agree with the totalitarian partei line they must, will and shall be covered up and discredited. Usually by fully discredited and untrustworthy people and institutions. Prove me wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn a normal fire situation, where the temps are 'nominal' and 'normal,' then, yes, the mighty Sequoias are darn near fireproof.
DeleteProblem is, with piss-poor forest management, the elimination of normal wildfires and prescribed burns, logging, cleaning of the dropped fuel and all the other bullshit that's been done to the forests, when they finally light up, either by natural sources like lightning or by assholes trying to clear room for illegal grows or some murder-hobo setting shit on fire or just assholes committing arson, the resulting fire is super-hot due to all the fuel and piss-poor forest management and basically burns so hot it will even set the Sequoia on fire.
The super-fires they are having now, due to fuckups all around, are so hot they are almost or actually sterilizing the soil, burning and crisping stuff even under a foot or two of soil.
That's what's killing the sequoia.
Same thing happened in Florida in 1998, thanks to leftist shitheads who had stopped good forest management and prescribed burns. So we ended up with the Florida Firestorms of 1998. So bad that there was one section of the Ocala National Forest that was sterilized and didn't start growing weeds for several years.
That. That is what is happening to our forests because of the fuckups of various leftist organizations like the Sierra Club and other asshole fuckasses.
Seriously, fuck, want to have good forests? Give them to the logging companies and to the hunters and fishermen.
Charge the fucking nature lovers a fucking license like they do hunters and fishermen. Make the money go directly to proper forest management. Hey, stupid wicca person, you want to walk skyclad through the woods? Pony up a license fee, and get your 'wildland' tax stamps to allow you to walk your ugly assed body into the woods.
Ever try to grow anything on concrete?
DeleteA hard, hot fire burns off the duff layer on the forest floor, and you're left with a sterile mineral soil that, if not quite hygroscopic, has such a low nutrient level seedlings won't take hold.
Maybe I'm wrong, and there's no way in hell I'll voluntarily go out there to check, even in my current forester capacity.
I've never hear of hygroscopic soil. The salvage jobs I've worked resulted in hydrophobic soil. When you take a whiz the pee pee runs off the ground like it would if you were taking a leak on a freshly waxed car hood.
DeleteI believe our host planet will have the last word in these matters. OG
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Oh.....yea. Duh! OG
DeleteIf man cuts them down, then they care. If they burn because of thick underbrush that never gets cleared out, then it's "global warming" which is also "man's fault". Damned if you do, damned if you don't, so damn all the lefties.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to have to say I think this report might be balderdash. They're probably talking about what we like to call "virgin second growth" which is truly not as fire resistant as old growth, or if they are referring to actual millennial trees, they probably are not actually dead... just taking their time to pull it back together. Might also be the same with the second growth.
ReplyDeleteThat fire was supposedly burning hot and very fast, which takes out understory and small redwoods, but doesn't kill old growth... unless it is already dead or close to it.
And I wish just once a news outlet would quit with the "climate change" malarky. While it is true that there would be less drought if we had our forests back, because the dark canopy attracts the moisture [actually, doesn't dispel it], the Central Valley was full of redwoods until a couple-hundred-year drought hit long ago. People drilling wells there are STILL bumping into ancient redwood roots.
The state keeps insisting it's global warming doing it, and it's 100% the combination of over-logging and seriously crap management at the bottom of these heinous conflagrations. Since the redwoods no longer shade out the growth of weed trees, and nobody will spend the money to remove the weed trees, aka fuels, the agency pinheads will just continue to mouth the words "fire is natural" while drawing their paychecks, and most of the enviros will keep insisting those weeds are needed to rebuild the soils... and it will keep up until California looks like a pork rind.
We should be using that multi-billion-dollar windfall to feed all that shit to chippers and blow it all back onto the forest floor for mulch. THEN the weeds would actually help deliver soil nutrients.
Oh, I'm getting myself all wound up and need to go stick my head in the ocean. Excuse me, please.
The SJW/treehuggers should have swarmed the wildfire area and used their bodies to smother the flames, rolling all over the ground. Cuz, "NATURE!"
ReplyDeleteThat's because they're morons with clinical mental disease.
ReplyDeleteYou are mostly wrong on your first point, please spend time rethinking your position on that. Second point, probably with no more true instances than what “we have on our side”. -Bert
DeleteTo the left trees are nothing but biomass and needs to be burned generating electricity, all to save the planet.
ReplyDeleteI call bullshit on losing 10% of the Giant Sequoias.
ReplyDeleteThe cambium layer, the section of the tree just inside the bark is a sponge that holds water and moisture on a Sequoia.
Many have had that layer breached, causing the teepee like wound common to old growth trees.
That layer is thick enough and wet enough to protect the live wood in the interior from damage.
THAT is why they are still standing after, for some, over a thousand years.
I never trust the tree huggers or the Sierra Club. Me and my wife went camping 42 years ago about a year after we were married to Kings Canyon. I was use to very rustic camping, but it was a shock to my wife. We spent four days camping and hiking in Kings Canyon before heading back to home life. My wife only camped once again when we did it with our boys as part of cub scouts.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the Giant Sequoias can withstand fire and drought as they have for centuries. The problem that our forests have is the environmentalists have the government not allowing proper forest management that use to be done via corporate logging and other methods. The screaming about loss of something in a state is usually so the state is so the state can get more money from the Federal Government, and that money will not go for what they scream about.
Believe me, if Sequoiadendron giganteum were a commercially desirable source of lumber, they would have all been gone a couple centuries ago
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Since we're on the subject, Anybody know how many tooth-picks are in a giant sequoia?
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