A woman had her scalp torn off by a Brentwood police dog after she shoplifted thousands of dollars from a nearby mall, video obtained by KTVU shows, raising serious questions about when and why K-9 units are deployed.
Talmika Bates, then 24, is seen in the video provided by her lawyers screaming and wailing in pain. The skin on top of her head was ripped off exposing blood and bone.
I think cop dogs are a good thing sometimes, but if they don't stop when the handler says to stop ,shame on the cop. Make him responsible. They would kill your dog if it attacked.
Do dogs take classes in Constitutional Law? How can we be sure that the dog isn't violating someone's rights, if the dog can't even read the Constitution?
Possibly Miss Bates should have avoided shoplifting, though actually paying for things is getting to be a hard sell among Negroes in the coastal states. Especially California!
Her and two accomplices conspired to commit robbery of over $10,000 before fleeing and hiding from the cops. It isn't even an alleged crime- she was convicted. In fact, she pled guilty to felony grand theft, indicating that she faced reduced charges in a plea deal.
In fact, she has a lengthy arrest record. He was arrested in: 2021 for prostitution twice in 2017: obtaining property by theft, robbery, and driving without a licence four different arrests in 2016: twice for petty theft, grand theft, and burglary, theft, receiving stolen property, driving without a license three different times in 2014 for battery and robbery, domestic battery, and burglary
Don't feel sorry for her at all. It seems as though the only time she isn't breaking the law is when she is either in prison or the hospital. She is a one person crime wave. Any money she gets from this lawsuit should be paid to the victims of her previous crimes.
Blame the dog, not the criminal!! Who the hell is raising these "serious" questions? She claims her hair won't grow back since the dog bite....how about since you tried stealing shit from other people????
It is hard to feel any sympathy for someone who would not think twice about stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from a local merchant. As much as I dislike the Stassi there is a place in this world for law enforcement .
I've posted here before about my feelings on these dogs. They have NO PLACE being used in normal every day policing. Fine for military basis, fine for military overseas actions but not police. EVERY police dog I've ever worked with (and years back, I worked with a lot of them) are completely ill trained. Most police departments allow their own officers to train and/or use trainers that are friends of the officers and really don't understand training. They train the dogs well, perhaps, but the handlers are horrible. I wish for a day where I no longer see police vehicles with the K-9 officer inside stickers affixed to them. Also, do a search on police dogs dying in vehicles. The numbers are terrible. Rant over.
rayvet. It's "bases," not "basis." Do you have numbers innocent civilians bitten by police dogs? "Most police departments" do not have specific, certified trainers for their dogs? Show me the numbers.
Not going to get into a pissing match with anyone here on Kenny's site. I've worked with no less than two dozen K9 officers involving 4 different county police units (more if you count the days I did emergency work). I don't need some govt funded study to show that the vast majority of handlers of k9 officers have no business using the dogs in the manner they do because they are ill trained in knowing how to use the dogs to the best of their ability. One of my clients is a retired trainer for the air force and he said he's tried to start petitions to stop the use of civilian police officer dogs but people think with their hearts instead of their brains and he's gotten now where. So you can take my many years of experience for what it's worth, or continue reading feel good stories about the ones dying in overheated cars, injuries sustained when doing work the dogs weren't trained for, of situations like this where the (mis) handlers can't call the dogs off of suspects. Many here are anti cop. I'm anti police dog.
Ray, I agree with you. There's way too many videos out there showing a K-9 being used and the handler not being able to call the dog off. That's either a dog that's much too aggressive or a sign of piss poor training of either the dog or the handler.
Does anyone remember a time when police somehow accomplished pretty good policing w/o dogs, tasers, armored humvees and swat entries? Every military tactic they have adopted remains inappropriate for the civilian arena. It would be one thing to hold those abilities in reserve for true emergencies but they are always moved to the front line, alienating even the law abiding public ever further.
As far as police dogs: I don't agree with the police use of them at all. They are used to manufacture probable cause with no accountability- it's just assumed that if the trainer claims that the dog acted funny, it's because he smelled drugs and now there is probable cause. No record is kept on how often the dog is wrong. There was one study done that showed police dogs as inaccurate in locating drugs, after that a nationwide bulletin went out to police departments, advising them to no longer participate in these studies. https://www.npr.org/2017/11/20/563889510/preventing-police-bias-when-handling-dogs-that-bite
Using them as weapons when you can't control them is also not right. I have run calls as a medic on police dog bites. Once was to a cop's leg, when the dog bit a cop chasing a suspect instead of biting the suspect. In another, a fleeing suspect had his entire right but cheek eaten off. He was fleeing a traffic stop on foot, and the handler released the dog. It was some time before the handler caught up, and the dog was unrestrained and biting the suspect.
Her rap sheet shows that she was a crime syndicate...not a po' liddle ol' underprivileged person of color. Yeah, sorry for her and the loss of her weave.
I live by the premise: Not everything that walks on 2 legs is human. Too bad the dog didn't grab her by the throat. Good riddance. F her and her lawyer too. With a rusty crowbar.
How about lumping her lawyers in with her. Their the sorry mother fuckers that are representing the known thief and trying to profit from the people's taxes Backwoods Okie
Seein that she was scalped, what tribe was the dog from? I'm thinkin the Fuckawee, y'know that tribe that roamed the desert, always asking "where the fuckawee?"
This thief shouldn’t get a thin dime. Eight times out of 10 the shoplifter is not caught and scores big, so it’s time to steal again until they are caught. When they are caught it’s no bail,so it’s off to steal again. When the arraignment comes along, it’s a plea bargain to disorderly conduct, no jail time, and it’s off to steal again. This cycle keeps repeating until something happens such as the perp getting shot, having her scalp removed, or getting mashed up in a car crash when fleeing the police. Giving her a payday for her injuries just rewards her criminal disposition. Giving her nothing will make her think about the risk/benefits of felony theft.
Blame the democrats who created the Great Society where black people born in ghettos are intentionally not trained or educated and therefore only have the option of crime to make it in life. Then blame the democrat DA and other officials who do not prosecute or even require bail for these type criminals. Blame them first then move on to the dog trainer, and the cops.
... and you better be able to call that bullet back you just fired. I was a dog handler in the USAF in the 70's and was taught that you NEVER release your K9 in a situation you would not fire your weapon - it is a lethal form of engagement. Of course, we were also taught to never fire our weapon with the intention of wounding or warning - ALWAYS shoot to kill. Ah, the good old days.
Old vet 1950 ,Any chance you were a dog handler at Wurtsmith AFB ‘74 to ‘80? I was CES sheet metal and had a number of interactions with the dogs and handlers while repairing the kennels and working around the alert area and weapons storage area.
So, >$10k stolen= FELONY. Flee scene, a police chase ensues, and during flight fleeing vehicle collides with patrol vehicle= FELONY. Suspects scatter and go to ground; 20 minutes later this suspect is located and taken into custody. Nothing is mentioned about the others and their escape/capture/trial. Unknown if weapons were discovered in vehicle or on any of the others. The crooks kicked over a hornet's nest when they collided into the police unit during the chase. If Brentwood PD doesn't have a Ghetto Bird, one from a sister agency would be on-scene to provide support. This Din-do-nuffin was alone with her thoughts for 20 minutes, plenty of time to ditch a weapon (if she had one), or give up (she didn't). This is where the dog comes in. A very large amount of resources are turning over every rock looking for these cretins. At any time she could have surrendered and/or complied with commands when officers arrived. She didn't. Since she did not listen to officer's commands to come out of hiding when she was discovered, Marco was sent in to make a Happy Meal of her. Dogs will grab what's available to them, usually hands, arms, feet, and legs. In this instance, a head was presented, and Marco bit. In my experience, dogs will continue to bite/pull when there is resistance on the part of a suspect. The more you resist, the more you get bit. Simple. Ms. Din-do-Nuffin could have ended her ordeal at any time, but she made the conscious choice not to, and now she is living with the consequences. Dogs are a valuable tool for L.E. to use. I'd much rather have an officer send in a dog to an area that can not be readily cleared and address a possibly armed/dangerous crook than an officer. I place the life of a person way above that of an animal (whether officer, suspect, etc). What would be the response if the officer didn't have a dog and went into the bushes after the suspect and physically fought with her (maybe over his duty weapon)? Let's say he shot her, an unarmed black woman, what say you? He'd have to live with the killing of an unarmed person for the rest of his life, and her family would be without a sister/mother/daughter/niece for ever. Also, think about the riots that would ensue. Along with that we'd have another St. George of Fentanyl holiday to deal with. And just picture in your minds a gin soaked Speaker of the House, along with woke police chiefs and congress critters, genuflecting before her newly minted statue. No thanks, I'm glad he sent in the dog.
Look, it's Brentwood. She's gonna walk. At least the dog taught some kind of lesson that the prosecutors won't give her. I just hope the dog doesn't succumb to some nastiness down the road.
You know what wasn't in the video? The number of times they told her to come out/give up or they'll send the dog. Every video I've seen, every one, these people are warned well in advance. Looked like she was hiding and wouldn't come out.
And she had her head mauled. So what? There's no win here if she resisted. What's the difference, beat her silly? shoot her? She's a career criminal. She wasn't going to go easy.
Police will routinely sic dogs on people as a means of abusing them while dodging liability for abusing them... it's an unfortunate reality of a police state.
So many bootlickers in the comments section. It's proven the cop is lying about being unable to physically remove the dog even though his partner's body cam shows him standing next to the handler, reassuring him he's not going to shoot the out of control dog. So anything he says is suspect. While I don't approve of shoplifting, these tactics are always a phone call away from being used against you or your family. How many stories are out there about cops going to the wrong address and escalating a situation they created. I've been around some of these dogs and handlers and can't think of anytime encouraging the public to approach the dog to say Hi was encouraged. This is another example of the militarization of cops having a negative outcome. Back the blue till it happens to you.
Well, don't steal thousands of dollars of stuff from the local mall and you won't have your scalp ripped off. No sympathy.
ReplyDeleteNONE....WHAT.....SO......EVER!
DeleteI think cop dogs are a good thing sometimes, but if they don't stop when the handler says to stop ,shame on the cop. Make him responsible. They would kill your dog if it attacked.
ReplyDeleteThe cops say a dog is an officer, so you can't legally defend yourself from one.
DeleteIf they really are officers, then punish them like officers...
Jonathan, I'll accept dogs as "officers" when I hear one recite the same oath the officer took.
DeleteDo dogs take classes in Constitutional Law? How can we be sure that the dog isn't violating someone's rights, if the dog can't even read the Constitution?
DeleteWho's a good doggy? Is there a Milk Bone GoFundMe available?
ReplyDeletePossibly Miss Bates should have avoided shoplifting, though actually paying for things is getting to be a hard sell among Negroes in the coastal states. Especially California!
ReplyDeleteBoo f'n Hoo.
ReplyDeleteYou won the Stupid Prize!
Thanks for playin !
Her and two accomplices conspired to commit robbery of over $10,000 before fleeing and hiding from the cops. It isn't even an alleged crime- she was convicted. In fact, she pled guilty to felony grand theft, indicating that she faced reduced charges in a plea deal.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, she has a lengthy arrest record. He was arrested in:
2021 for prostitution
twice in 2017: obtaining property by theft, robbery, and driving without a licence
four different arrests in 2016: twice for petty theft, grand theft, and burglary, theft, receiving stolen property, driving without a license
three different times in 2014 for battery and robbery, domestic battery, and burglary
Don't feel sorry for her at all. It seems as though the only time she isn't breaking the law is when she is either in prison or the hospital. She is a one person crime wave. Any money she gets from this lawsuit should be paid to the victims of her previous crimes.
source: https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/43103076/talmika-bates-arrest.html
Blame the dog, not the criminal!! Who the hell is raising these "serious" questions? She claims her hair won't grow back since the dog bite....how about since you tried stealing shit from other people????
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to feel any sympathy for someone who would not think twice about stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from a local merchant. As much as I dislike the Stassi there is a place in this world for law enforcement .
ReplyDeleteShould be a big payday out of this. What was it 250k for the shoplifter girl they tased?
ReplyDeleteI've posted here before about my feelings on these dogs. They have NO PLACE being used in normal every day policing. Fine for military basis, fine for military overseas actions but not police. EVERY police dog I've ever worked with (and years back, I worked with a lot of them) are completely ill trained. Most police departments allow their own officers to train and/or use trainers that are friends of the officers and really don't understand training. They train the dogs well, perhaps, but the handlers are horrible. I wish for a day where I no longer see police vehicles with the K-9 officer inside stickers affixed to them. Also, do a search on police dogs dying in vehicles. The numbers are terrible. Rant over.
ReplyDeleterayvet. It's "bases," not "basis." Do you have numbers innocent civilians bitten by police dogs? "Most police departments" do not have specific, certified trainers for their dogs? Show me the numbers.
DeleteFully agree
DeleteNot going to get into a pissing match with anyone here on Kenny's site. I've worked with no less than two dozen K9 officers involving 4 different county police units (more if you count the days I did emergency work). I don't need some govt funded study to show that the vast majority of handlers of k9 officers have no business using the dogs in the manner they do because they are ill trained in knowing how to use the dogs to the best of their ability. One of my clients is a retired trainer for the air force and he said he's tried to start petitions to stop the use of civilian police officer dogs but people think with their hearts instead of their brains and he's gotten now where. So you can take my many years of experience for what it's worth, or continue reading feel good stories about the ones dying in overheated cars, injuries sustained when doing work the dogs weren't trained for, of situations like this where the (mis) handlers can't call the dogs off of suspects. Many here are anti cop. I'm anti police dog.
DeleteRay, I agree with you.
DeleteThere's way too many videos out there showing a K-9 being used and the handler not being able to call the dog off. That's either a dog that's much too aggressive or a sign of piss poor training of either the dog or the handler.
Does anyone remember a time when police somehow accomplished pretty good policing w/o dogs, tasers, armored humvees and swat entries? Every military tactic they have adopted remains inappropriate for the civilian arena. It would be one thing to hold those abilities in reserve for true emergencies but they are always moved to the front line, alienating even the law abiding public ever further.
DeleteAs far as police dogs:
DeleteI don't agree with the police use of them at all. They are used to manufacture probable cause with no accountability- it's just assumed that if the trainer claims that the dog acted funny, it's because he smelled drugs and now there is probable cause. No record is kept on how often the dog is wrong.
There was one study done that showed police dogs as inaccurate in locating drugs, after that a nationwide bulletin went out to police departments, advising them to no longer participate in these studies.
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/20/563889510/preventing-police-bias-when-handling-dogs-that-bite
Using them as weapons when you can't control them is also not right. I have run calls as a medic on police dog bites. Once was to a cop's leg, when the dog bit a cop chasing a suspect instead of biting the suspect. In another, a fleeing suspect had his entire right but cheek eaten off. He was fleeing a traffic stop on foot, and the handler released the dog. It was some time before the handler caught up, and the dog was unrestrained and biting the suspect.
I'd feel sorry for her if she had shoplifted a pack of gum.
ReplyDeleteShe'd only lose a hand in Saudi Arabia.
ReplyDeleteHer rap sheet shows that she was a crime syndicate...not a po' liddle ol' underprivileged person of color.
ReplyDeleteYeah, sorry for her and the loss of her weave.
I live by the premise:
ReplyDeleteNot everything that walks on 2 legs is human.
Too bad the dog didn't grab her by the throat.
Good riddance.
F her and her lawyer too.
With a rusty crowbar.
How about lumping her lawyers in with her. Their the sorry mother fuckers that are representing the known thief and trying to profit from the people's taxes
ReplyDeleteBackwoods Okie
Seein that she was scalped, what tribe was the dog from? I'm thinkin the Fuckawee, y'know that tribe that roamed the desert, always asking "where the
ReplyDeletefuckawee?"
Come on. You're all missing that "I don’t even feel cute." That's her big concern and lesson learned out of all of this?
ReplyDeleteThis thief shouldn’t get a thin dime. Eight times out of 10 the shoplifter is not caught and scores big, so it’s time to steal again until they are caught. When they are caught it’s no bail,so it’s off to steal again. When the arraignment comes along, it’s a plea bargain to disorderly conduct, no jail time, and it’s off to steal again. This cycle keeps repeating until something happens such as the perp getting shot, having her scalp removed, or getting mashed up in a car crash when fleeing the police. Giving her a payday for her injuries just rewards her criminal disposition. Giving her nothing will make her think about the risk/benefits of felony theft.
ReplyDeleteBlame the democrats who created the Great Society where black people born in ghettos are intentionally not trained or educated and therefore only have the option of crime to make it in life. Then blame the democrat DA and other officials who do not prosecute or even require bail for these type criminals. Blame them first then move on to the dog trainer, and the cops.
ReplyDeleteIt's like the cop saying the gun just kept firing ,nothing I could do . If you sic a dog on someone , you better be able to stop it .
ReplyDelete... and you better be able to call that bullet back you just fired. I was a dog handler in the USAF in the 70's and was taught that you NEVER release your K9 in a situation you would not fire your weapon - it is a lethal form of engagement. Of course, we were also taught to never fire our weapon with the intention of wounding or warning - ALWAYS shoot to kill. Ah, the good old days.
DeleteOld vet 1950 ,Any chance you were a dog handler at Wurtsmith AFB ‘74 to ‘80? I was CES sheet metal and had a number of interactions with the dogs and handlers while repairing the kennels and working around the alert area and weapons storage area.
DeleteNo, my time in the service was 1968-72. Spent a year in Korea and the rest at Dyess AFB in TX. I thank God I didn't have to go to Viet Nam!
DeleteI hear that Joe Dirt has a spare mullet wig to loan her.
ReplyDeleteDon't do the crime if you can't do the uh, wig. Good doggy.
ReplyDeleteI bet she shoplifts again when the money runs out.
ReplyDeleteProbably the ONLY punishment she will get.
ReplyDeleteDogs gotta eat too.
ReplyDeleteSo, >$10k stolen= FELONY. Flee scene, a police chase ensues, and during flight fleeing vehicle collides with patrol vehicle= FELONY. Suspects scatter and go to ground; 20 minutes later this suspect is located and taken into custody.
ReplyDeleteNothing is mentioned about the others and their escape/capture/trial. Unknown if weapons were discovered in vehicle or on any of the others. The crooks kicked over a hornet's nest when they collided into the police unit during the chase. If Brentwood PD doesn't have a Ghetto Bird, one from a sister agency would be on-scene to provide support.
This Din-do-nuffin was alone with her thoughts for 20 minutes, plenty of time to ditch a weapon (if she had one), or give up (she didn't). This is where the dog comes in. A very large amount of resources are turning over every rock looking for these cretins. At any time she could have surrendered and/or complied with commands when officers arrived. She didn't.
Since she did not listen to officer's commands to come out of hiding when she was discovered, Marco was sent in to make a Happy Meal of her. Dogs will grab what's available to them, usually hands, arms, feet, and legs. In this instance, a head was presented, and Marco bit. In my experience, dogs will continue to bite/pull when there is resistance on the part of a suspect. The more you resist, the more you get bit. Simple. Ms. Din-do-Nuffin could have ended her ordeal at any time, but she made the conscious choice not to, and now she is living with the consequences.
Dogs are a valuable tool for L.E. to use. I'd much rather have an officer send in a dog to an area that can not be readily cleared and address a possibly armed/dangerous crook than an officer. I place the life of a person way above that of an animal (whether officer, suspect, etc). What would be the response if the officer didn't have a dog and went into the bushes after the suspect and physically fought with her (maybe over his duty weapon)? Let's say he shot her, an unarmed black woman, what say you? He'd have to live with the killing of an unarmed person for the rest of his life, and her family would be without a sister/mother/daughter/niece for ever. Also, think about the riots that would ensue. Along with that we'd have another St. George of Fentanyl holiday to deal with. And just picture in your minds a gin soaked Speaker of the House, along with woke police chiefs and congress critters, genuflecting before her newly minted statue.
No thanks, I'm glad he sent in the dog.
Look, it's Brentwood. She's gonna walk. At least the dog taught some kind of lesson that the prosecutors won't give her. I just hope the dog doesn't succumb to some nastiness down the road.
ReplyDeleteYou know what wasn't in the video? The number of times they told her to come out/give up or they'll send the dog. Every video I've seen, every one, these people are warned well in advance. Looked like she was hiding and wouldn't come out.
ReplyDeleteAnd she had her head mauled. So what? There's no win here if she resisted. What's the difference, beat her silly? shoot her? She's a career criminal. She wasn't going to go easy.
Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.
ReplyDeletePolice will routinely sic dogs on people as a means of abusing them while dodging liability for abusing them... it's an unfortunate reality of a police state.
ReplyDelete-arc
So many bootlickers in the comments section. It's proven the cop is lying about being unable to physically remove the dog even though his partner's body cam shows him standing next to the handler, reassuring him he's not going to shoot the out of control dog. So anything he says is suspect. While I don't approve of shoplifting, these tactics are always a phone call away from being used against you or your family. How many stories are out there about cops going to the wrong address and escalating a situation they created. I've been around some of these dogs and handlers and can't think of anytime encouraging the public to approach the dog to say Hi was encouraged. This is another example of the militarization of cops having a negative outcome. Back the blue till it happens to you.
ReplyDeleteThat is what is called Taking a bite out of crime.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how long the dog had to lick itself to get the taste of libturd out of its month?
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