That reminds me of when some condominimums were built on a bluff overlooking the small commercial docks. The new residents complained of the deck lights on the fishing boats.
The boats would come and go at all hours day or night. Even during the day they'd have their bright lights on since running a generator without sufficient load is heading for expensive trouble. Of course the lights were for crew safety on the work deck.
The residents, mostly just arrived from the big cities, complained the lights were aimed into their rooms. Some went so far as to say the fishermen did it on purpose. They demanded the town council do something. Findong no relief there they brought action in superior court naming several boats as defendants. The judge awarded attorney and court costs to defendants before dismissing the case. Not finished yet, the condo owners began a campaign of regularly sending letters to the newspapers pleading sympathy for their oppression by the mean, vindictive fishermen. Folks like that are slow to realize all their efforts make them a laughing stock. One would have to be an absolute lunatic to think they have a legit complaint.
When it was suggested they get heavier curtains they replied with indignation that why should *they* have to do anything at all.
I think it was McCarren airport in Las Vegas. It was initially built out in the middle of nowhere. Eventually Vegas expanded to be near the airport. The new residents complained of the airport noise and wanted it shutdown. It was there first stupid. You knew (should have known) it was there before you built or moved in.
I was working in Los Angeles temporarily back in the 80's, and I noticed a few weird "subdivisions" out by LAX. Streets and street signs, landscaping, signs of foundations, but no houses.
I asked a local guy, WTF? Story was the occupants decided that LAX was making their houses uninhabitable, or some such. Judge agreed and condemned the entire sub as unfit for human habitation. As in, GTFO, now. Not sure if they got compensation, but the local made it sound like FAFO.
These are the same folks who complain of the noise from an airport which has been there well before their house was built.
In the 1990s a development of homes was built three miles from the airport which has been in operation since 1919. In one year the airport received over 1,000 complaints of noise. Investigation revealed it was just two married couples who wrote every of those letters. The airport finally had to get a cease and desist order naming those four people. Yep, they had just moved in from the big city.
Part of the investigation involved putting sound monitors in several places in that neighborhood, including in front of the complainer's homes. The airport noise at those locations was about the same as normal conversation.
It happens often, big city dwellers move to a rural ir semi-rural area expecting the romance of pastoral scenes with deer and critters merrily lounging in tall flowers. The longtimers are to be blamed when the idealized fantasy of the city rats is eroded by the intrusion of reality.
Rick, had the same thing happen in Stanislaus County CA back in the late 1980s and 1990s. All those Fucking Bay Area People moved there from San Francisco with a bunch of them buying homes in rural areas so they could experience 'country living', then promptly sued the farmers in the area because of flies, smells and noise at night. Stanislaus County is a huge farming and dairy area. Farmers there do their tractoring at night because it gets to be well over 100 degrees during the summer, and you're going to get smells and flies when you live within 500 yards of a dairy with 500 head of cattle that do nothing but eat and shit all day. It got so bad the County had to pass a Right To Farm resolution to shut them up.
When I was a kid may city aunt and uncle once stayed overnight. One of the hog yards was about 200 feet from the house and in the hot summer [no A/C back in those days the windows were wide open] the hogs would eat mainly at night when it was cooler. The next morning my uncle came downstairs and asked about the sound of the hog feeder lids banging "do those hogs do that all night every night?". To us, if we didn't hear the lids banging, we knew something was wrong.
The gun club I used to belong to had the same problem. A new development about a 1/4 mile away. You'd think living on 'Gun Club Road' would have been a tip-off. One woman sued the club for a bullet hole in her roof. The club hired a ballistics expert who proved that the hole could not have been from the club. I went to a new club about then so I don't know if they perused suing her for fraud.
I seem to remember a few yrs back a gun club in northern CA had that same problem. It turned out the errant bullets came not from the gun range but those very people who conspired to drive the gun club out.
Them people tried every which way, making false reports the the Sheriff, complaining of noise even when the range was closed, haranguing the county board, trespassing to commit vandalism, and more. They were few but they were incessant. The county board finally changed the zoning so a longtime club with many members shut down.
At my local gun club, we hired specialists to measure the sound levels from pistol fire throughout the area surrounding our ranges, which we built inside retired granite quarries.
This was what we called "a speculative precaution", and the measurements showed that the sound of cars on the nearby highway was several dB louder than any firearm discharges.
Sure enough, years later, noise complaints were lodged against the club by recent arrivals, who built homes nearby seeking the semi-rural lifestyle, knowing full-well of the club's existence.
The committee carefully read the complaints, and decided to let them proceed to court.
We weren't relying on our precautionary sound-level readings as a defence, instead we had the complaints dismissed as a vexatious fraud as the date stated in the complaint was Anzac Day (a big deal in Oz) and the range was actually closed for memorial services.
Consideration was given to just letting it end there, but several voices on the committee pressed for the club to sue the complainants, "pour encourager les autres" as the French say.
We now have a judgement against the original complainants for lying to the council and the court, and we have had no complaints since.
The club I'm an officer in (in the US) managed to get a law passed that requires that any seller (and/or realtor) selling a house within 1 mile of the club must apprise prospective buyers that the club is there. The club has been there for over 90 years. Very few of the houses within that radius are nearly that old-- the area was farms and unbuildable wetlands.
Nonetheless, some moron tried to sue us to stop us from operating because she objected to the noise (and doesn't like guns). Thrown out of court. The seller was able to document that they had informed her. We were there first. No tort. The judge required to pay our legal fees.
In central Florida, a city lawyer built a house next to a chicken farm operation that had been there for over a hundred years. He didn't like the smells or the noise. He sued and won, putting the farm operation out of business.
Similar thing happening to one of my local gun clubs. New McMansions being built right next to the club and owners complaining about the noise. The presence of the club is required to be declared by the seller at the time the house is listed and is signed off on by the buyer. Still they complain.
For over 30 years Nevada County Fairgrounds held car races on summer Saturday nights. Then in the late '80s a Bay Area dickhead named Dick bought two homes a mile from the fairgrounds and began his crusade. Within a year the very popular car races were gone.
As Larry said, south western Montana has been flooded with urban refugees since covid / riots. They seem to be mostly busy body Karens. Eastern Montana is becoming more and more appealing. The Mountains seem to attract these Karen type folks like flies to manure.
Pueblo county passed dark sky initiative prohibiting light pollution. Commercial places are not allowed to have more than 1 candle power per light shine outside of property. I like it.
I like what the railroad did. They leave their engines idling on a spur even for days at a time. They're not loud but loud enough for some student housing built nearby. The city tried to negotiate a compromise with the railroad. The RR told them (paraphrased), Eat shit you and those candy ass peckerhead complainers. End of story.
Just about every one of these things listed in the comments here is the fault of city planners. They pass their culpability onto the Realtors who are required to inform buyers of 'nuisance' properties within so many miles. I have heard, not making this up, that some Realtors (CYA, no doubt) have mentioned barking seals may be heard on some nights for ocean front properties.
Ummmm...how about covering the window with a blanket at night. We can't all be "victims" and blame others for our troubles. If you don't want next door neighbors screwing with you, move to the country or STFU!!! JEEZ!!!
Remember when laser pointers became common? I was at a buddy's apartment and was drinking and smoking and messing around and shit. He pulled out a pointer, and hit the window of the apartment across the way, now you know what happens when you hit an interstate sign with one at night? and I don't know what they had the place painted with but it looked like it turned into a big red fireball. They pulled the curtains and never opened them again as far as I know. Daryl
I lived two blocks from railroad tracks for two years. Got used to it darn quick. Moved to the country. Railroad is three miles away and the crossing is five. Many nights now that train wakes me up. It's kinda comforting to know that another supply of black electrical rocks is heading to the power house. Heard a car door one night last spring, then someone driving away. Next day just after noon the place was crawling. Guy murdered his woman and dumped her body in a field just south of me. We have housing degenerations going in about a mile from me. Lots of karens. What do we call a Karen without ovaries? Is that a Kevin?
My uncle lives on a golf course, and a lot of houses back onto it. On one particular fairway I guess things were set up just right for a lot of balls to be breaking people's windows (as someone who has lived on a golf course myself, you have to accept this as a fact of life.) Apparently people would come running out of their houses ranting and raving and expecting the golfers to pay for the damage. It got to the point where people were threatening legal action.
The golf club responded by erecting a 30 foot wall along the property line. Several properties went from "desirable location with amazing view" to "backs onto big wall" in the space of a few months.
A grow lamp? The urban horticulturalist is probably lonely, and the cops are bored and tired at night and would surely appreciate a coffee.
ReplyDeleteUse a blanket, hang on 2-3 nails...
ReplyDeleteThat reminds me of when some condominimums were built on a bluff overlooking the small commercial docks. The new residents complained of the deck lights on the fishing boats.
ReplyDeleteThe boats would come and go at all hours day or night. Even during the day they'd have their bright lights on since running a generator without sufficient load is heading for expensive trouble. Of course the lights were for crew safety on the work deck.
The residents, mostly just arrived from the big cities, complained the lights were aimed into their rooms. Some went so far as to say the fishermen did it on purpose. They demanded the town council do something. Findong no relief there they brought action in superior court naming several boats as defendants. The judge awarded attorney and court costs to defendants before dismissing the case. Not finished yet, the condo owners began a campaign of regularly sending letters to the newspapers pleading sympathy for their oppression by the mean, vindictive fishermen. Folks like that are slow to realize all their efforts make them a laughing stock. One would have to be an absolute lunatic to think they have a legit complaint.
When it was suggested they get heavier curtains they replied with indignation that why should *they* have to do anything at all.
I think it was McCarren airport in Las Vegas. It was initially built out in the middle of nowhere. Eventually Vegas expanded to be near the airport. The new residents complained of the airport noise and wanted it shutdown. It was there first stupid. You knew (should have known) it was there before you built or moved in.
DeleteI was working in Los Angeles temporarily back in the 80's, and I noticed a few weird "subdivisions" out by LAX. Streets and street signs, landscaping, signs of foundations, but no houses.
DeleteI asked a local guy, WTF? Story was the occupants decided that LAX was making their houses uninhabitable, or some such. Judge agreed and condemned the entire sub as unfit for human habitation. As in, GTFO, now. Not sure if they got compensation, but the local made it sound like FAFO.
These are the same folks who complain of the noise from an airport which has been there well before their house was built.
ReplyDeleteIn the 1990s a development of homes was built three miles from the airport which has been in operation since 1919. In one year the airport received over 1,000 complaints of noise. Investigation revealed it was just two married couples who wrote every of those letters. The airport finally had to get a cease and desist order naming those four people. Yep, they had just moved in from the big city.
Part of the investigation involved putting sound monitors in several places in that neighborhood, including in front of the complainer's homes. The airport noise at those locations was about the same as normal conversation.
It happens often, big city dwellers move to a rural ir semi-rural area expecting the romance of pastoral scenes with deer and critters merrily lounging in tall flowers. The longtimers are to be blamed when the idealized fantasy of the city rats is eroded by the intrusion of reality.
Rick, had the same thing happen in Stanislaus County CA back in the late 1980s and 1990s. All those Fucking Bay Area People moved there from San Francisco with a bunch of them buying homes in rural areas so they could experience 'country living', then promptly sued the farmers in the area because of flies, smells and noise at night.
DeleteStanislaus County is a huge farming and dairy area. Farmers there do their tractoring at night because it gets to be well over 100 degrees during the summer, and you're going to get smells and flies when you live within 500 yards of a dairy with 500 head of cattle that do nothing but eat and shit all day.
It got so bad the County had to pass a Right To Farm resolution to shut them up.
And more of their ilk are poisoning Montana with their dipshittery.
DeleteWhen I was a kid may city aunt and uncle once stayed overnight. One of the hog yards was about 200 feet from the house and in the hot summer [no A/C back in those days the windows were wide open] the hogs would eat mainly at night when it was cooler. The next morning my uncle came downstairs and asked about the sound of the hog feeder lids banging "do those hogs do that all night every night?". To us, if we didn't hear the lids banging, we knew something was wrong.
DeleteThe gun club I used to belong to had the same problem. A new development about a 1/4 mile away. You'd think living on 'Gun Club Road' would have been a tip-off. One woman sued the club for a bullet hole in her roof. The club hired a ballistics expert who proved that the hole could not have been from the club. I went to a new club about then so I don't know if they perused suing her for fraud.
DeleteI seem to remember a few yrs back a gun club in northern CA had that same problem. It turned out the errant bullets came not from the gun range but those very people who conspired to drive the gun club out.
DeleteThem people tried every which way, making false reports the the Sheriff, complaining of noise even when the range was closed, haranguing the county board, trespassing to commit vandalism, and more. They were few but they were incessant. The county board finally changed the zoning so a longtime club with many members shut down.
To bad they didn't move down to Kettleman City!
DeleteIt's not just U.S.gun clubs. Sometime's it's the whole U.S. Army that's the target:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym8Zc76vkOs
At my local gun club, we hired specialists to measure the sound levels from pistol fire throughout the area surrounding our ranges, which we built inside retired granite quarries.
ReplyDeleteThis was what we called "a speculative precaution", and the measurements showed that the sound of cars on the nearby highway was several dB louder than any firearm discharges.
Sure enough, years later, noise complaints were lodged against the club by recent arrivals, who built homes nearby seeking the semi-rural lifestyle, knowing full-well of the club's existence.
The committee carefully read the complaints, and decided to let them proceed to court.
We weren't relying on our precautionary sound-level readings as a defence, instead we had the complaints dismissed as a vexatious fraud as the date stated in the complaint was Anzac Day (a big deal in Oz) and the range was actually closed for memorial services.
Consideration was given to just letting it end there, but several voices on the committee pressed for the club to sue the complainants, "pour encourager les autres" as the French say.
We now have a judgement against the original complainants for lying to the council and the court, and we have had no complaints since.
The club I'm an officer in (in the US) managed to get a law passed that requires that any seller (and/or realtor) selling a house within 1 mile of the club must apprise prospective buyers that the club is there. The club has been there for over 90 years. Very few of the houses within that radius are nearly that old-- the area was farms and unbuildable wetlands.
DeleteNonetheless, some moron tried to sue us to stop us from operating because she objected to the noise (and doesn't like guns). Thrown out of court. The seller was able to document that they had informed her. We were there first. No tort. The judge required to pay our legal fees.
In central Florida, a city lawyer built a house next to a chicken farm operation that had been there for over a hundred years. He didn't like the smells or the noise. He sued and won, putting the farm operation out of business.
ReplyDeleteSimilar thing happening to one of my local gun clubs. New McMansions being built right next to the club and owners complaining about the noise. The presence of the club is required to be declared by the seller at the time the house is listed and is signed off on by the buyer. Still they complain.
ReplyDeleteThat sounds like my club, exact same story. Been there since the early 70's when everything was still farmlands.
DeleteNow it's all built up and the same thing happened. You wouldn't happen to be in NH would you?
For over 30 years Nevada County Fairgrounds held car races on summer Saturday nights. Then in the late '80s a Bay Area dickhead named Dick bought two homes a mile from the fairgrounds and began his crusade. Within a year the very popular car races were gone.
ReplyDeleteDid I mention that dickhead Dick was a lawyer?
As Larry said, south western Montana has been flooded with urban refugees since covid / riots. They seem to be mostly busy body Karens. Eastern Montana is becoming more and more appealing. The Mountains seem to attract these Karen type folks like flies to manure.
ReplyDeletePueblo county passed dark sky initiative prohibiting light pollution. Commercial places are not allowed to have more than 1 candle power per light shine outside of property. I like it.
ReplyDeleteI like what the railroad did. They leave their engines idling on a spur even for days at a time. They're not loud but loud enough for some student housing built nearby. The city tried to negotiate a compromise with the railroad. The RR told them (paraphrased), Eat shit you and those candy ass peckerhead complainers. End of story.
ReplyDeleteJust about every one of these things listed in the comments here is the fault of city planners. They pass their culpability onto the Realtors who are required to inform buyers of 'nuisance' properties within so many miles. I have heard, not making this up, that some Realtors (CYA, no doubt) have mentioned barking seals may be heard on some nights for ocean front properties.
Ummmm...how about covering the window with a blanket at night. We can't all be "victims" and blame others for our troubles. If you don't want next door neighbors screwing with you, move to the country or STFU!!! JEEZ!!!
ReplyDeleteRemember when laser pointers became common? I was at a buddy's apartment and was drinking and smoking and messing around and shit. He pulled out a pointer, and hit the window of the apartment across the way, now you know what happens when you hit an interstate sign with one at night? and I don't know what they had the place painted with but it looked like it turned into a big red fireball. They pulled the curtains and never opened them again as far as I know.
ReplyDeleteDaryl
I lived two blocks from railroad tracks for two years. Got used to it darn quick. Moved to the country. Railroad is three miles away and the crossing is five. Many nights now that train wakes me up.
ReplyDeleteIt's kinda comforting to know that another supply of black electrical rocks is heading to the power house.
Heard a car door one night last spring, then someone driving away. Next day just after noon the place was crawling. Guy murdered his woman and dumped her body in a field just south of me.
We have housing degenerations going in about a mile from me. Lots of karens. What do we call a Karen without ovaries? Is that a Kevin?
My uncle lives on a golf course, and a lot of houses back onto it. On one particular fairway I guess things were set up just right for a lot of balls to be breaking people's windows (as someone who has lived on a golf course myself, you have to accept this as a fact of life.) Apparently people would come running out of their houses ranting and raving and expecting the golfers to pay for the damage. It got to the point where people were threatening legal action.
ReplyDeleteThe golf club responded by erecting a 30 foot wall along the property line. Several properties went from "desirable location with amazing view" to "backs onto big wall" in the space of a few months.