Chadd, I hate 'em too. When I went to register my truck, they wouldn't let me keep my old tags, so I figured I'd get a specialty plate. My two choices were the new blue tag and the new blue tag with "In God We Trust" on it. That was it.
A long time ago I spent a lot of time in Las Morochas Venezuela. We called it Las Cockrochas. It's an oilfield town on Lake Maracaibo. The road to get there was really bad. To mark the small pot holes they would put a car tire standing up. In the large pot holes they would put a truck tire.
Could be most anywhere in the rust belt. The houses make it look like the place was prosperous in the 20s and 30s but started sliding in the 70s. Probably all went to heck around the time of NAFTA. Look at some street views of old neighborhoods in Canton Ohio. Lots of early 1900s houses. About 1 in 20 looks like it’s been maintained in the last quarter century.
At least 2 patch attempts here, the last one very recent, for what is normally called gatoring. When the first patch sunk and cracked that should have been a hint, gatoring is caused by weak subbase and by the look of things here, the subbase was fine sand or worse and poor drainage has led to transport away from this particular area. I'm guessing this is indicative of many areas on this street. The block cracking evident everywhere else says that this is some old paving with a mix that wasn't all that great to start with. That whole street needs to come up but first the storm system needs to be figured out and then a few shallow borings to get a sense of what kind of native subgrade is there so the correct subbase can be designed. That sort of project is well beyond the maintenance budget of any municipality so any real solution will take a couple of years of red tape. I'd say a good short-term fix is to go down to public works and if the director is sitting at their desk with some twinkies or some such, shoot him.
I've seen similar in my area, not quite that bad though before we caught it. What happens is a culvert or part of the storm sewer system gets a hole in the top which lets the gravel or dirt fall through creating a large void before the asphalt layer ever fails. You can't really fix it unless you fix the pipe or culvert with the hole in it. If it is shallow enough, like this one, you should be able to dig out around the pipe and weld a patch in but I've also seen it happen on the highway where the culvert was 30' down the slope.
Where I live, in the good half of California, the roads were put in about 50 years ago. The inspector was on a perpetual beer break because stumps were buried , covered with base and paved over. Now the voids from the rotted wood are beginning to collapse leaving holes like these. Of course the worst one I ever repaired was an old gold mine adit that collapsed. That one took a lot of fill.
A Blue city (shitty?) hellhole no doubt, but the tags on the SUV in the distance, tells me its not in Tennessee. Perhaps Ohio?
ReplyDeleteHard to tell. Tennessee had off white plates until this year.
DeleteI really dislike the new Tennessee tags. The old ones with the mountains on them were better.
DeleteChadd, I hate 'em too. When I went to register my truck, they wouldn't let me keep my old tags, so I figured I'd get a specialty plate. My two choices were the new blue tag and the new blue tag with "In God We Trust" on it. That was it.
DeleteA long time ago I spent a lot of time in Las Morochas Venezuela. We called it Las Cockrochas. It's an oilfield town on Lake Maracaibo. The road to get there was really bad. To mark the small pot holes they would put a car tire standing up. In the large pot holes they would put a truck tire.
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Could be Pennsylvania too.
ReplyDeleteMy vote is South Carolina.
ReplyDeleteNest time they patch that sink hole it will be gone for sure
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Could be most anywhere in the rust belt. The houses make it look like the place was prosperous in the 20s and 30s but started sliding in the 70s. Probably all went to heck around the time of NAFTA.
ReplyDeleteLook at some street views of old neighborhoods in Canton Ohio. Lots of early 1900s houses. About 1 in 20 looks like it’s been maintained in the last quarter century.
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ReplyDeleteLooks like there might be a layer of cobble stone under the asphalt. That would make it an older city, probably back east.
ReplyDeleteAt least 2 patch attempts here, the last one very recent, for what is normally called gatoring. When the first patch sunk and cracked that should have been a hint, gatoring is caused by weak subbase and by the look of things here, the subbase was fine sand or worse and poor drainage has led to transport away from this particular area. I'm guessing this is indicative of many areas on this street. The block cracking evident everywhere else says that this is some old paving with a mix that wasn't all that great to start with. That whole street needs to come up but first the storm system needs to be figured out and then a few shallow borings to get a sense of what kind of native subgrade is there so the correct subbase can be designed. That sort of project is well beyond the maintenance budget of any municipality so any real solution will take a couple of years of red tape. I'd say a good short-term fix is to go down to public works and if the director is sitting at their desk with some twinkies or some such, shoot him.
ReplyDeleteThe next picture you see will be of that hole having been patched with a Honda.
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I've seen similar in my area, not quite that bad though before we caught it. What happens is a culvert or part of the storm sewer system gets a hole in the top which lets the gravel or dirt fall through creating a large void before the asphalt layer ever fails. You can't really fix it unless you fix the pipe or culvert with the hole in it. If it is shallow enough, like this one, you should be able to dig out around the pipe and weld a patch in but I've also seen it happen on the highway where the culvert was 30' down the slope.
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Where I live, in the good half of California, the roads were put in about 50 years ago. The inspector was on a perpetual beer break because stumps were buried , covered with base and paved over. Now the voids from the rotted wood are beginning to collapse leaving holes like these. Of course the worst one I ever repaired was an old gold mine adit that collapsed. That one took a lot of fill.
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