WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)-The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the Department of Justice have sent the rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices to the White House for Presidential review.
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This new rule will make instant felons out of millions of gun owners and will effectively put a few companies out of business.
Fuck Joe Biden!
ReplyDeletewith yours, please. I tend to be a bit more discrimate; I'd sooner a pile of milk barn sweepings
DeleteAnyone that willingly complies with federal firearms rules is a fool.
ReplyDeleteSame if one actually acquired them on paper.
Do not consent, do not comply, do not cooperate.
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I will follow laws passed by my congressional representatives. Rules dictated by authoritarian tyrants who release arms dealers in exchange for carpet-licking WNBA wife beaters has no moral or legal authority to tell me what my god-given constitutional rights are.
DeleteAny law passed by your congressional representatives that violate constitutionally protected rights are not laws at all. which, in this case, is any that violate the plain language of the 2A. by definition, that means all federal firearms laws, the existence of the asshats in the atf, the nfa, and gca. compliance with these unconstitutional edicts is the behavior of serfs, not free men.
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"This new rule will make instant felons out of millions of gun owners and will effectively put a few companies out of business." That's probably part of the plan. Anyone caught with an illegal gun part will be classified as a "pre-convicted felon" and all Constitutional rights will be null and void. The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote, and how fast and how far down we'll slide is a matter of speculation.
ReplyDeleteI'm still trying to figure out how the Fed conflated firearms and explosives with Alcohol and Tobacco. whatcha gotzz?
ReplyDeleteWho's the cocksucker that started this?
ReplyDeleteProbably the same egomaniac that said "get the guns first, due process later" and is so proud of Operation Warp Speed and lowest black unemployment ever.
I stabilize MY pistol by using both hands. But go ahead on with other methods under the excluded "shall not" in the original paperwoke.
ReplyDeleteI have to guess that this is going to be hit with an injunction about as fast as anything you have ever seen, to the point to where it will be a new law class example of what the method is to use to avoid being slammed with a n injunction. I mean, "Who knew that this was not just going to be passed with no objections?". Idiots.
ReplyDeleteThey ARE stocks. Don't believe me? It isn't hard to find any of the thousands of videos of people using them as stocks.
ReplyDeleteEveryone I know with an "AR pistol" has one and uses it as a stock. I see it all the time at the range.
How long did you expect the tyrants to let people openly thumb their noses at their stupid rule before doing something about it?
Except that the ATF issued letters to the manufacturers of the braces saying they were legal and it made no difference how people were using them. A lot of people were holding off on them until the ATF issued those letters, then they figured they were free and clear and bought those braces. Then a couple years later, the ATF says they're stocks. That's what's pissing everybody off, especially when you consider they run two to three hundred bucks a pop.
DeleteAny law, regulation, rule or restriction is null and void at the time of enactment. The 2nd amendment recognizes the pre existing right to keep and bear "arms". Arms includes any and all military appropriate weapons. Like frigates, corvettes, battleships, cannons, muskets and swords, as intended by the Founding Fathers. They wouldn't exclude tanks, bombers or jet fighters either. The republic was won by private citizens using military cannons and war ships.
DeleteThe Bill Of Rights limits the Federal government to protect the citizens. It doesn't grant rights to anyone or anything, it recognizes natural and God given rights.
Tree Mike, a happy but worried geezer.
True, Ken, but that promise conflicts with the NFA prohibition of short barreled rifles. It's no surprise that pistol braces are being reclassified as stocks because people are putting them on their guns for that very purpose and that's how they're being used, as thousands of videos attest. People are openly flaunting the law and you know that governments don't tolerate that for long.
DeleteThis is similar to the attempt by ATF to ban TC Contenders and Encores some time ago. Because they are readily converted between pistol and rifle configurations with barrels of any length ATF tried to make it illegal to own a shoulder stock and a barrel less than 16 inches. Attorneys successfully argued that it's only illegal if they are both installed on the same frame at the same time. You can have a shoulder stock on a TC as long as the barrel is longer than 16 inches.
I think that's probably how this will eventually shake out. You can keep your brace but you can only install it on a gun with a barrel longer than 16 inches unless you want to register the gun as a SBR and pay the $200 tax.
SteveP The only thing you're leaving out is that the ATF issued those letters AFTER those videos came out. The first one said the brace couldn't make contact with the shoulder, the second one said they didn't care how it was used.
DeleteBut who in their right mind would want to put a brace on a 16" carbine?
Please don't tell me you support this gun control measure as well as the NFA.
All gun laws are expressly forbidden by the 2nd Amendment, so no, I don't support this or any other regulation or the NFA. I'm only talking about the law as written and upheld by the courts. It doesn't mean I support it.
DeleteThe fact remains, however, that "pistol brace" or "stabilizer brace" is a euphemism for a type of shoulder stock designed to skirt the law. Arguments to the contrary notwithstanding, the way that it's universally used shows that it is, in fact, a shoulder stock. It was only a matter of time until the politicians and anti gunners caught on and pressured the ATF to reverse themselves. When the ATF wrote those letters really isn't relevent. It's a federal bureaucracy. They don't believe themselves to be bound by prior statements and they're highly politicized and corrupt.
Sure it would be ridiculous to put a brace on a 16" carbine but to be in compliance with federal law as it currently exists it's either that or register the gun and pay the tax. It's the same situation with my TC Encore or my Shockwave. I could easily make an adapter to mount a brace but if I did I would have to put a 16" barrel on it (18" on the Shockwave) or pay the tax.
btw-The SC upheld NFA because it accepted the government's argument that it's a tax law. You can own all the things listed in NFA as long as you pay the tax. The registration requirement is to document that you paid the tax. Yeah, I know it's bullshit but that's what the court decided a long time ago.
Sorry, but the one thing you seem to forget is that the ATF does not have the power to do what they're doing. They're an enforcement agency, not a legislative agency.
DeleteAnd yes, when those letters were written is very relevant. They said yes, they're okay and millions of people went out and bought the braces AFTER the letters came out.
I'm waiting to hear you howl when they decide that your Shockwave is a short barreled shotgun because in actuality, it is. It just has a pistol grip like thousands and thousands of 'illegal' sawed off shotguns have. Mark my words, they're next.
Dat a hole lotta peoples needs bee killin deez days.
ReplyDeleteA "Pistol Brace" is a Firearms Accessory. It can be Installed or Removed without changing anything about the Firearm. If they intend to claim that it is the Weapon that can "Accept the Accessory" that must be 'registered', they run into the little Problem of having had "Approved" the "Accessory" in the first Place.
ReplyDeleteIf the "Pistol Brace" is the Item being 'regulated', the Intent of the regulation to single out a Type of Firearm for
"Registration" will Fail when everyone Removes the "Pistol Brace" from their Arms.
In any event, Non-Constitutional, Non-'laws' like this just Beg to be Disobeyed.
As I understand the constitution only congress can make laws in this country, not a government agency with approval of the president.
ReplyDeleteAs do most patriotic Americans such as many of our fellow commentors and out host. Unfortunately, too many politicians, judges and average people (not going to give them the credit of being citizens) do not have a good understanding of our founding documents and how & why this country was created.
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