Officials in New Mexico are set to deliver a decision on Thursday about whether or not they will pursue criminal charges against Alec Baldwin or others in the fatal shooting of a cinematographer on the set of Western movie Rust.
Yeah, we'll just forget about safe gun handling practices and the fact that he's ultimately responsible for any gun in his hand at any time, right? Because he's famous and all... Fuck that, he should be charged and prosecuted for negligent homicide at the very least.
I was taught from the beginning that the moment you lay a finger on a gun, YOU become responsible for it, how it's used and the consequences. Shame no one ever taught Baldwin responsibility and safety.
Baldwin is not ultimately responsible. He was on a movie set where an individual was hired to perform one and only one function; ensure firearm safety for people who dont know firearm safety. This has been the practice for decades.
It does absolve him of all responsibility. Argue all you want. You are wrong. Again.
I get the distinct impression yall ignore reality on a regular basis. That never really pans out well.
Anon@6:29 - Oh, horseshit. Just because it has been in practice for decades doesn't make it right. Please stay the fuck away from me if you ever have a gun in your possession. The fact of the matter is he was handling a gun and pulled the trigger, something he denied doing even though it's impossible for that gun to fire without the trigger being pulled.
I've probably more firearms than yall combined and no one is safer than myself with said weapons. An armorer on a movie set is a legal precedent and works well when the armorer is competent. In this case she wasn't.
So if a certified gun instructor handed you a gun and assured you it was unloaded and told you to just point it at somebody without checking it first, you'd do it? Really?
I'm not saying the armorer wasn't partly responsible, but you're saying that Baldwin isn't even a little bit responsible?
Anon., If you "probably more firearms that yall combined" you should know the 4 cardinal rules of gun handling-baldwin violated at least 2 of them. That's on HIM, the motherfucker HOLDING THE GUN. You sound like the kind of defense atty. Bloody Bill spoke of.
While the actor may be able to displace responsibility to the armorer, the Producer is responsible for everything on the set... and the Producer and the Actor are the same person.
Regardless of whether they throw criminal charges at him (probably not), I would expect a hell of a civil lawsuit to follow. And the next person who is going to be put through the wringer is the so-called armorer, who was absolutely incompetent at her job.
The newspaper article said that the New Mexico office of the ME said that it did not appear that the gun had been loaded with a live round deliberately. I am not sure how they determined that, but they sure are competent to come up with that determination. If they decide to bring charges against anyone, Alec Baldwin should be included. I am guessing that they will charge the lady armorer with negligence, and let Baldwin walk. As for a civil lawsuit, that has already been taken care of.
I predict that Baldwin will be held blameless, which is the correct decision. I hate him as much as anyone here, but he's not at fault. Here's why. To an actor on a movie set or a stage a gun is a prop, no different than a lamp or a coffee cup. The vast majority of actors know nothing about guns and how to handle them. That's why production companies hire armorers. The armorer has absolute responsibility for all weapons on the set. You may not have noticed, but it's part of an actor's job to point guns at people and otherwise handle guns in ways that would get anyone thrown out and banned from any gun range. The actors rely on the armorer to keep everyone safe and the rules for handling guns on movie sets reflect this. People are flipping out because Baldwin violated the four rules that we live by. I hate to have to tell you this but the "four rules" don't apply on movie sets. (see the previous paragraph) They have 72 rules regulating weapons on movie sets, one of which is that actors are not to manipulate the controls on a weapon, including checking to see if it's loaded, unless instructed to do so. I found the list of rules shortly after the Rust shooting but it has since been memory holed for some reason. People were quitting the production in protest of conditions. Among the complaints were that Hannah Reed, the armorer, wasn't following the protocols for weapon safety. She didn't keep the weaons secure and organized properly and she allowed live ammunition on set. Dave Halls, the assistant director that handed Baldwin the gun, was not authorized to touch any weapon, ever, on the set. He picked it up from an unsecure prop cart and gave it to Baldwin, telling him it was safe. Baldwin didn't check to see if it was loaded because he wasn't instructed to do so, per the rules. The mistake that he made was in accepting a weapon from someone other than the armorer or her assistant. For that he may share some measure of blame. If any criminal charges are announced, I think Reed and Halls will face manslaughter or negligent homicide. Any culpability that Baldwin may have is that, as a producer, he didn't fire Reed.
It has only taken so long because they had to get the kabuki theater set up. Remember the OJ Simpson trial? The civil suits are where the action is gonna be. - WDS
I bet you a hamburger he walks away from this one free as a bird.
ReplyDeleteAs well he should.
DeleteThe armorer was hired to do one thing. She failed.
Yeah, we'll just forget about safe gun handling practices and the fact that he's ultimately responsible for any gun in his hand at any time, right? Because he's famous and all...
DeleteFuck that, he should be charged and prosecuted for negligent homicide at the very least.
Absolutely right, Kenny!
DeleteAmen brother!!
DeleteI was taught from the beginning that the moment you lay a finger on a gun, YOU become responsible for it, how it's used and the consequences. Shame no one ever taught Baldwin responsibility and safety.
DeleteBaldwin is not ultimately responsible. He was on a movie set where an individual was hired to perform one and only one function; ensure firearm safety for people who dont know firearm safety. This has been the practice for decades.
DeleteIt does absolve him of all responsibility. Argue all you want. You are wrong. Again.
I get the distinct impression yall ignore reality on a regular basis. That never really pans out well.
Anon@6:29 - Oh, horseshit. Just because it has been in practice for decades doesn't make it right. Please stay the fuck away from me if you ever have a gun in your possession.
DeleteThe fact of the matter is he was handling a gun and pulled the trigger, something he denied doing even though it's impossible for that gun to fire without the trigger being pulled.
I've probably more firearms than yall combined and no one is safer than myself with said weapons.
DeleteAn armorer on a movie set is a legal precedent and works well when the armorer is competent.
In this case she wasn't.
So if a certified gun instructor handed you a gun and assured you it was unloaded and told you to just point it at somebody without checking it first, you'd do it? Really?
DeleteI'm not saying the armorer wasn't partly responsible, but you're saying that Baldwin isn't even a little bit responsible?
Anon., If you "probably more firearms that yall combined" you should know the 4 cardinal rules of gun handling-baldwin violated at least 2 of them.
DeleteThat's on HIM, the motherfucker HOLDING THE GUN.
You sound like the kind of defense atty. Bloody Bill spoke of.
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While the actor may be able to displace responsibility to the armorer, the Producer is responsible for everything on the set... and the Producer and the Actor are the same person.
DeleteThank you. I pointed that out months ago as well.
DeleteWhat the hell is taking so long? Oh nvm he’s a favored liberal!
ReplyDeleteRegardless of whether they throw criminal charges at him (probably not), I would expect a hell of a civil lawsuit to follow. And the next person who is going to be put through the wringer is the so-called armorer, who was absolutely incompetent at her job.
ReplyDeleteBaldwin already settled with her husband.
DeleteAlready done and over.
Deletehttps://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-10-05/alec-baldwin-settlement-halyna-hutchins-family-rust.
The newspaper article said that the New Mexico office of the ME said that it did not appear that the gun had been loaded with a live round deliberately. I am not sure how they determined that, but they sure are competent to come up with that determination.
ReplyDeleteIf they decide to bring charges against anyone, Alec Baldwin should be included. I am guessing that they will charge the lady armorer with negligence, and let Baldwin walk.
As for a civil lawsuit, that has already been taken care of.
I predict that Baldwin will be held blameless, which is the correct decision. I hate him as much as anyone here, but he's not at fault. Here's why.
ReplyDeleteTo an actor on a movie set or a stage a gun is a prop, no different than a lamp or a coffee cup. The vast majority of actors know nothing about guns and how to handle them. That's why production companies hire armorers. The armorer has absolute responsibility for all weapons on the set.
You may not have noticed, but it's part of an actor's job to point guns at people and otherwise handle guns in ways that would get anyone thrown out and banned from any gun range. The actors rely on the armorer to keep everyone safe and the rules for handling guns on movie sets reflect this.
People are flipping out because Baldwin violated the four rules that we live by. I hate to have to tell you this but the "four rules" don't apply on movie sets. (see the previous paragraph) They have 72 rules regulating weapons on movie sets, one of which is that actors are not to manipulate the controls on a weapon, including checking to see if it's loaded, unless instructed to do so. I found the list of rules shortly after the Rust shooting but it has since been memory holed for some reason.
People were quitting the production in protest of conditions. Among the complaints were that Hannah Reed, the armorer, wasn't following the protocols for weapon safety. She didn't keep the weaons secure and organized properly and she allowed live ammunition on set. Dave Halls, the assistant director that handed Baldwin the gun, was not authorized to touch any weapon, ever, on the set. He picked it up from an unsecure prop cart and gave it to Baldwin, telling him it was safe. Baldwin didn't check to see if it was loaded because he wasn't instructed to do so, per the rules. The mistake that he made was in accepting a weapon from someone other than the armorer or her assistant. For that he may share some measure of blame.
If any criminal charges are announced, I think Reed and Halls will face manslaughter or negligent homicide. Any culpability that Baldwin may have is that, as a producer, he didn't fire
Reed.
It has only taken so long because they had to get the kabuki theater set up. Remember the OJ Simpson trial? The civil suits are where the action is gonna be.
ReplyDelete- WDS