California foster youth can now attend college for free
Foster youth across California will now be able to attend college, free of charge, after new legislation, SB 307, was signed into the state budget Monday.
The new Fostering Futures program will cover the entire cost for foster youth to attend a University of California, California State University or California community college.
I cannot agree because my daughter tells me she knows dozens of children using their dad’s or grandad’s Gi bill benefits and no I never knew that was an option but this is mo debinetely Amerika!
There will be a lot of aunts and uncles that can expect to have to 'foster' 17 and 18 year olds in anticipation of 'free' college. Provided of course their base education is good enough to even be accepted in college. This being the 21st century though being qualified is irrelevant. There will be some 'equity' involved.
Free college for all the dimwit brats. That's like the commie spider brainwashing the fly saying: "Will you walk into my parlour?" , "'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy.".
You have no idea of what you're talking about. Most of these kids had a hard luck life through no fault of their own, they've never known a stable family life, then as soon as they turn 18 the government checks to the foster parents stop and the kid is shown the door to live on the streets. They need and deserve a break, not criticism from somebody who is obviously ignorant about the subject.
So have the institutes of higher learning (indoctrination) plan on reducing their capital expenses including the salaries of staff and faculty, utilities etc. the amount needed to compensate for these students that will be attending for "free"?
Doubtful. I would go out on a limb and venture that for every one of these students a college or university admits they will be sending a bill to the State (taxpayers) for an amount greater than any paying student.
It most certainly is NOT free.
Get out your checkbooks people! .gov has no business even proposing such an expense never mind administering it.
Back in the day, California public and state universities were free to residents of California. >> Reagan began cutting state funding of public universities by 20%. His justification was that colleges have become too liberal and taxpayers should not subsidize intellectual curiosity.<<
I was raised in SoCal and was looking forward to going to UCSD, until we moved to WNC right after my junior year of HS in 1975.
Hyper-expensive college tuition is a relatively recent thing, and a LOT of colleges had free or miniscule tuition a few decades ago.
Driving a truck? That's about to become the modern day equivalent of being a blacksmith. Autonomous vehicles are going to wipe that industry right off the map almost overnight. Automation is coming for a hell of a lot of jobs in the next few years.
I disagree about truck driving going automated simply because I believe that there will be insurance issues with self driving vehicles of that size. A car can take out a lot of people, but a tractor trailer with a momentary glitch of the operating system? That can take out hundreds of people and cause millions of dollars of payouts in liability claims. No, the powers that be will want a human behind the wheel for at least the next twenty five to fifty years. Humans can react to conditions before an AI driven vehicle even realizes that the road suddenly got icy, or there's a vehicle coming at you in your lane. That's my personal opinion, but I'm neither an expert or fortune teller, so take it with a grain of salt.
A foster kid has been given a shitty hand in life, and living with a relative isn't remotely like being in the foster care system. This is a small step towards giving these young adults a chance at a better life. I hope this includes the Community College system so they can get practical technical training and not just the University of California and California State systems.
I admit to thinking that we give too much away to people who don't deserve it. I also think that California schools are way over priced for what you get. They also are extreme left wing indoctrination centers. My two daughters graduated from UCs in the 2010s.
All that said, foster kids do deserve a real break. I know very few people who are able to support themselves the day they turn 18. Especially when they were not allowed to save anything against that day.
As for the Vets comment. I have known two retired vets who sent their kids to college using GI benefits. All in all, there are worse programs to spend money on. Criticize it if you want. But I hope you are also opposed to every penny of welfare sent to Ukraine and Israel.
Texas has had this for years. If you age out of or are adopted out of the state foster care system fees and tuition at state university's are waived. You still have to meet the academic admission requirements.
In Georgia we have Zell Miller's "Hope Scholarship". Our experience with it was in the 90's with our son. He had to graduate HS with a 3.0 or better. For that he got tuition paid and, I think, help on books. I don't remember if there would have been help if he'd lived on campus but he lived with other guys in rental space. To keep this, he had to maintain a 3.0. There was so much grade inflation because parents demanded good grades so their kids could get the Hope that the requirements have tightened but I'm not up to date on that, though I have a grandson coming up who will meet any grade requirements. Too bad there's no education out there to be had. There was not only grade inflation. The tuition and fees went up accordingly. After retiring from real work, I worked at a state university for a couple of years. We had an ambitious new Director of the department who had some expensive scheme. When he was asked about the cost, he said, "Hope will pay for it."
Wait!!! College age kids are not kids. They are usually 18 or 19 years old. They should be out of the foster care system. Screw the kids with mothers and fathers on low income or even medium income.
Unless they do things much differently in CA, foster kids are out at 18, but they leave with nothing. I don't know if the typical kids with their birthday during the school year even get enough support to finish high school.
So I'm fine with this program, provided it can't be abused the way so many kids with parents abuse college to get 4 more years of support: Picking a worthless but easy major, and partying until they've almost flunked out of even that! That is:
--SAT or ACT score that shows you're ready for college. --No remedial classes - if you didn't learn what you were supposed to in high school, you're done. --You must choose a major that does more towards getting a job than prove you're sort of literate and can almost pass as middle class. --You must make progress towards completing that major, without running over into an extra year or two.
I have no problem with that if equal opportunity exists to get into a real learning experience like vocational education... In my opinion college is fine if you want to learn theories about shit in general but if you want to learn how to actually do shit votec and apprenticeship is the way to go...
I find great merit in that. Those poor bastards are so fucked this is hopefully a way out for the 10% that seize it with both hands.
ReplyDeleteI agree.
DeleteMeanwhile, the kids of retired vets get... nothing...
ReplyDeleteI cannot agree because my daughter tells me she knows dozens of children using their dad’s or grandad’s Gi bill benefits and no I never knew that was an option but this is mo debinetely Amerika!
DeleteThere will be a lot of aunts and uncles that can expect to have to 'foster' 17 and 18 year olds in anticipation of 'free' college. Provided of course their base education is good enough to even be accepted in college. This being the 21st century though being qualified is irrelevant. There will be some 'equity' involved.
ReplyDeleteFree college for all the dimwit brats. That's like the commie spider brainwashing the fly saying: "Will you walk into my parlour?" , "'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy.".
ReplyDeleteYou have no idea of what you're talking about. Most of these kids had a hard luck life through no fault of their own, they've never known a stable family life, then as soon as they turn 18 the government checks to the foster parents stop and the kid is shown the door to live on the streets. They need and deserve a break, not criticism from somebody who is obviously ignorant about the subject.
DeleteFree huh?
ReplyDeleteSo have the institutes of higher learning (indoctrination) plan on reducing their capital expenses including the salaries of staff and faculty, utilities etc. the amount needed to compensate for these students that will be attending for "free"?
Doubtful. I would go out on a limb and venture that for every one of these students a college or university admits they will be sending a bill to the State (taxpayers) for an amount greater than any paying student.
It most certainly is NOT free.
Get out your checkbooks people! .gov has no business even proposing such an expense never mind administering it.
Fine, pay for 4 years of college now and turn them into productive citizens or support them for the next 40 years as homeless leeches. Your choice.
DeleteI never went to college. Drove truck, raised a family ,bought a house in the bay area.
DeleteBack in the day, California public and state universities were free to residents of California. >> Reagan began cutting state funding of public universities by 20%. His justification was that colleges have become too liberal and taxpayers should not subsidize intellectual curiosity.<<
DeleteI was raised in SoCal and was looking forward to going to UCSD, until we moved to WNC right after my junior year of HS in 1975.
Ed at ca state schools was still free or damn near it for children of vets. All it took was a 10% disability. Can you say tinnitus?
DeleteHyper-expensive college tuition is a relatively recent thing, and a LOT of colleges had free or miniscule tuition a few decades ago.
DeleteDriving a truck? That's about to become the modern day equivalent of being a blacksmith. Autonomous vehicles are going to wipe that industry right off the map almost overnight. Automation is coming for a hell of a lot of jobs in the next few years.
I disagree about truck driving going automated simply because I believe that there will be insurance issues with self driving vehicles of that size. A car can take out a lot of people, but a tractor trailer with a momentary glitch of the operating system? That can take out hundreds of people and cause millions of dollars of payouts in liability claims. No, the powers that be will want a human behind the wheel for at least the next twenty five to fifty years. Humans can react to conditions before an AI driven vehicle even realizes that the road suddenly got icy, or there's a vehicle coming at you in your lane. That's my personal opinion, but I'm neither an expert or fortune teller, so take it with a grain of salt.
DeleteA foster kid has been given a shitty hand in life, and living with a relative isn't remotely like being in the foster care system. This is a small step towards giving these young adults a chance at a better life. I hope this includes the Community College system so they can get practical technical training and not just the University of California and California State systems.
ReplyDeleteI admit to thinking that we give too much away to people who don't deserve it. I also think that California schools are way over priced for what you get. They also are extreme left wing indoctrination centers. My two daughters graduated from UCs in the 2010s.
DeleteAll that said, foster kids do deserve a real break. I know very few people who are able to support themselves the day they turn 18. Especially when they were not allowed to save anything against that day.
I have raised two foster nieces. We got jack. They got jack.
ReplyDeleteSteve in KY
As for the Vets comment. I have known two retired vets who sent their kids to college using GI benefits.
ReplyDeleteAll in all, there are worse programs to spend money on. Criticize it if you want. But I hope you are also opposed to every penny of welfare sent to Ukraine and Israel.
Texas has had this for years. If you age out of or are adopted out of the state foster care system fees and tuition at state university's are waived. You still have to meet the academic admission requirements.
ReplyDeleteWrong headline. Nothing is free. These yutes will be attending college and somebody else will be footing the bill. TANSTAAFL
ReplyDeleteHaving it pay for trade school as well would do we the people, individually and collectively, much greater good.
ReplyDeleteWe have something similar in the Peoples Republic of Connecticut.
ReplyDeleteThey added that to cover the stench and rot of the current system
In Georgia we have Zell Miller's "Hope Scholarship". Our experience with it was in the 90's with our son. He had to graduate HS with a 3.0 or better. For that he got tuition paid and, I think, help on books. I don't remember if there would have been help if he'd lived on campus but he lived with other guys in rental space. To keep this, he had to maintain a 3.0. There was so much grade inflation because parents demanded good grades so their kids could get the Hope that the requirements have tightened but I'm not up to date on that, though I have a grandson coming up who will meet any grade requirements. Too bad there's no education out there to be had.
ReplyDeleteThere was not only grade inflation. The tuition and fees went up accordingly. After retiring from real work, I worked at a state university for a couple of years. We had an ambitious new Director of the department who had some expensive scheme. When he was asked about the cost, he said, "Hope will pay for it."
That post about the Hope was me. I prefer to own my comments.
ReplyDeleteWait!!! College age kids are not kids. They are usually 18 or 19 years old. They should be out of the foster care system. Screw the kids with mothers and fathers on low income or even medium income.
ReplyDeleteUnless they do things much differently in CA, foster kids are out at 18, but they leave with nothing. I don't know if the typical kids with their birthday during the school year even get enough support to finish high school.
DeleteSo I'm fine with this program, provided it can't be abused the way so many kids with parents abuse college to get 4 more years of support: Picking a worthless but easy major, and partying until they've almost flunked out of even that! That is:
--SAT or ACT score that shows you're ready for college.
--No remedial classes - if you didn't learn what you were supposed to in high school, you're done.
--You must choose a major that does more towards getting a job than prove you're sort of literate and can almost pass as middle class.
--You must make progress towards completing that major, without running over into an extra year or two.
I have no problem with that if equal opportunity exists to get into a real learning experience like vocational education...
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion college is fine if you want to learn theories about shit in general but if you want to learn how to actually do shit votec and apprenticeship is the way to go...