Had a crop duster do that to me while taking flying lessons. Not quite as close and from below, but too close. The instructor took over and and we went around after maneuvering aggressively to keep clear of him. That was about the third incident (and worst) for me with crop dusters. There are three or four at my home airport. After finally pissing off the wrong person, they were dressed down and told to follow the pattern.
USA Air Traffic Controllers are being changed from passing intelligence tests to general tests of sports, music, and other such tests. There also is less ATC so more are needed. As a result there has been more issues with aircraft.
I had someone do #2 to me once. Me: "9MJ, base leg, 36" Them: "A55, 10 miles south, entering downwind" Me: "9MJ, downwind" Me: "9MJ crosswind" me: "9MJ touch & go 36" Them: "A55 2 miles south" me: "a55, state altitude, no contact" them: "...." me: "9mj downwind, a55 state position, no contact" them: "a55 downwind" me: "A55, STATE POSITION, I AM ON DOWNWIND & HAVE NO CONTACT" I start scanning the area & see them. 50 feet above me and descending. I cut throttle, full flaps, allowed a drop in altitude of 50 feet (they were so close I couldn't slip down for fear of wing contact), I started slowing down (which was the point of full flaps, cutting throttle allowing 50 feet for safety, then maintaining altitude). me: "A55, you are five zero feet above me. Doing 360 in downwind pattern for spacing." them: "A55 departing north". I would have beat them senseless if I got them on the ground. That's why they left. They never announced position. I learned that day that if you have negative contact and they're headed in and not talking then you need to exit the area until you have contact. I was west of New Orleans and a similar but non-dangerous situation happened. ATC at MSY was following us b/c the area we were in was frequented by incoming jets for New Orleans. It's perfectly allowed for me to be in that area but it's also a good idea to get ATC aware of what I'm doing so they can keep other jets out of the way. "9MJ, soutwest heavy 7 o'clock" me: "MSY, negative contact" "Southwest 732, 9MJ we have contact." me: "9MJ, roger, 732 has contact. 9MJ still negative contact" And then the Soutwest jet barrelled by about 2000 feet away from us. It was perfectly allowed & perfectly safe b/c Southwest confirmed they could see me. That's sufficient to see and avoid Had neither of us seen each other, ATC would have vectored one of us (probably me) away for safety. :) Yea, I miss flying!!!!!
A friend died that way at a non-towered field. The offender entered a base leg against traffic. He turned early final putting him on top of my friend. Both aircraft highwing taildraggers.
There is no FAR requiring radio comms at a non-towered field. Some pilots get butthurt about lack of comms.
One flight, I landed at non-towered field for radio work. I could recieve but not transmit. I heard the pejoratives and the threats from other pilots. One said he would beat my ass. I taxied straight to radio shop and shut down. I watched the culprit taxi by to go to his hanger. I waved him over. Big mouth didn't accept my invitation.
I detest inaccurate position reports. I much prefer no comms than inaccurate position reports. Since early on, I act as if every pilot is trying to kill me. I have avoided some very close near misses - even at towered fields where I was in the 'right' - by keeping my head on a swivel.
High majority of mid-airs happen when one is overtaking the other; in all phases of flight. I often fly low in 'indian country". I look for shadows on the ground as much as watching the sky. This is helpful too when in the pattern. Two shadows merging is how I avoided yet another mid-air.
In Asia this is actually a huge deal. South Korea even has a law that cell phones are unable to mute their camera sound as part of their effort to discourage such things. Of course they also recently passed a law requiring longer skirts again, though that seems to be being ignored.....
yep. Disqualify him from participation for the rest of the season. Or from the sport entirely. Consider making it retroactive to the start of the season. I'd also file an assault charge. Won't fix him, but the example might prevent a future occurrence. Penalties for that sort of behavior should be the kind that get talked about for years in awed tones in the locker room. "And he never got to play again." "Cost him a chance at the state/college/olympics". ONE example can go a long way.
I've often wondered that myself. I used to haul logs with guys that would jack the HP up on their trucks to absurd levels. Then they'd take them down to Sacramento and put them on a dynamometer. One guy had a V-12 Detroit with two turbos on it. That thing was so hot that when it was on the dyno it would sling chunks of rubber onto the ceiling. It never made any sense to me. Tires were expensive even back then.
#6: People posting about chivalry. All I see is insecurity and possessiveness. If she's gonna dress like that she's gonna get attention, and at the risk of "victim blaming" if you don't want people looking up your skirt then wear a fucking longer skirt. It's not rocket science.
#2 - that overtaking pilot needs to be grounded, and somebody should pound the crap out of him and breaks both hands.
ReplyDeleteNo excuse for that in a high-wing airplane.
Or ANY plane for that matter…
DeleteHad a crop duster do that to me while taking flying lessons. Not quite as close and from below, but too close. The instructor took over and and we went around after maneuvering aggressively to keep clear of him. That was about the third incident (and worst) for me with crop dusters. There are three or four at my home airport. After finally pissing off the wrong person, they were dressed down and told to follow the pattern.
DeleteUSA Air Traffic Controllers are being changed from passing intelligence tests to general tests of sports, music, and other such tests. There also is less ATC so more are needed. As a result there has been more issues with aircraft.
DeleteReminds me of a friend of mine. He would do that for sure as a joke.
DeleteBut I heard him yelling, "I had my blinker on!" so now it's the first pilot's fault if anything went wrong.
DeleteI had someone do #2 to me once. Me: "9MJ, base leg, 36" Them: "A55, 10 miles south, entering downwind" Me: "9MJ, downwind" Me: "9MJ crosswind" me: "9MJ touch & go 36" Them: "A55 2 miles south" me: "a55, state altitude, no contact" them: "...." me: "9mj downwind, a55 state position, no contact" them: "a55 downwind" me: "A55, STATE POSITION, I AM ON DOWNWIND & HAVE NO CONTACT" I start scanning the area & see them. 50 feet above me and descending. I cut throttle, full flaps, allowed a drop in altitude of 50 feet (they were so close I couldn't slip down for fear of wing contact), I started slowing down (which was the point of full flaps, cutting throttle allowing 50 feet for safety, then maintaining altitude). me: "A55, you are five zero feet above me. Doing 360 in downwind pattern for spacing." them: "A55 departing north". I would have beat them senseless if I got them on the ground. That's why they left. They never announced position. I learned that day that if you have negative contact and they're headed in and not talking then you need to exit the area until you have contact. I was west of New Orleans and a similar but non-dangerous situation happened. ATC at MSY was following us b/c the area we were in was frequented by incoming jets for New Orleans. It's perfectly allowed for me to be in that area but it's also a good idea to get ATC aware of what I'm doing so they can keep other jets out of the way. "9MJ, soutwest heavy 7 o'clock" me: "MSY, negative contact" "Southwest 732, 9MJ we have contact." me: "9MJ, roger, 732 has contact. 9MJ still negative contact" And then the Soutwest jet barrelled by about 2000 feet away from us. It was perfectly allowed & perfectly safe b/c Southwest confirmed they could see me. That's sufficient to see and avoid Had neither of us seen each other, ATC would have vectored one of us (probably me) away for safety. :) Yea, I miss flying!!!!!
DeleteA friend died that way at a non-towered field. The offender entered a base leg against traffic. He turned early final putting him on top of my friend.
DeleteBoth aircraft highwing taildraggers.
There is no FAR requiring radio comms at a non-towered field. Some pilots get butthurt about lack of comms.
One flight, I landed at non-towered field for radio work. I could recieve but not transmit. I heard the pejoratives and the threats from other pilots. One said he would beat my ass. I taxied straight to radio shop and shut down. I watched the culprit taxi by to go to his hanger. I waved him over. Big mouth didn't accept my invitation.
I detest inaccurate position reports. I much prefer no comms than inaccurate position reports. Since early on, I act as if every pilot is trying to kill me. I have avoided some very close near misses - even at towered fields where I was in the 'right' - by keeping my head on a swivel.
High majority of mid-airs happen when one is overtaking the other; in all phases of flight. I often fly low in 'indian country". I look for shadows on the ground as much as watching the sky. This is helpful too when in the pattern. Two shadows merging is how I avoided yet another mid-air.
#2: I'm sure there was a discussion about pattern traffic rules afterwards.
ReplyDelete7 'I'm Earl Scheib and I can paint your car for $ 39.95'.
ReplyDeleteI almost forgot about that guy.
DeleteNo ups, no extras.
DeleteLeave the Windows down and we do the Interior for free!
DeleteI remember one of my buddies in HS telling everyone a story about how his dad and another guy painted a car with a mop. Way back in the day...
DeleteI painted a friend's car with a 3 in. roller and sign paint. Came out sharp.
DeleteHis house but not his car? I can think of a few other things a jealous husband might do.
DeleteFor his first car, brother went to that guy. The tires, window weather stripping, chrome trim; all were painted, not just overspray.
DeleteStarker here,
DeleteIt was probably a place where you are supposed to mask it. They just spray. They love it when people don't mask correctly or at all.
#6 Chivalry is not dead. And apparently it's making up for fashion's complete lack of sense.
ReplyDeleteJohn G
#6-Slick
ReplyDelete#7-"Does the car match the description?" "Sort of..."
#10-Practice must have been expensive but good driving!
Scarecrow
You said it all
DeleteWho really would want to look up that stick legged's dress anyways
ReplyDeleteWe know who likes the fatties now.
DeleteIn Asia this is actually a huge deal. South Korea even has a law that cell phones are unable to mute their camera sound as part of their effort to discourage such things. Of course they also recently passed a law requiring longer skirts again, though that seems to be being ignored.....
DeleteNot fatties. Just women that have some meat on their bones
DeleteHey, don't shame the escalator dude. He just happens to like women who look like anorexic 11-year-old boys.
Delete--Tennessee Budd
Looks like anonymous11:20 likes boys with vaginas.
DeleteShe was a long cool woman in a black dress
Deletejust a five nine beautiful tall.
With just one look I was a bad mess cause that long cool woman had it all
Who? Every man on the planet.
Delete#5 WOW all those extra points
ReplyDelete#8 - Dindus are never gracious losers.
ReplyDeleteyep. Disqualify him from participation for the rest of the season. Or from the sport entirely. Consider making it retroactive to the start of the season. I'd also file an assault charge. Won't fix him, but the example might prevent a future occurrence. Penalties for that sort of behavior should be the kind that get talked about for years in awed tones in the locker room. "And he never got to play again." "Cost him a chance at the state/college/olympics". ONE example can go a long way.
DeleteAnonymous 12:12 pretty sure they DQ'd his ass, so he lost 2nd place.
Deleteprobably saved a tenth of a second off the winners time.
DeleteYeah all for a race that was 52 seconds off the world record. And well short of course record.
DeleteI remember seeing a guy doing that under an overpass in downtown K.C. one time.
ReplyDeleteMatt
#3 9.5 From the US judge. 7.0 from the east german judge.
ReplyDelete#6 Who says chivalry is dead?
ReplyDelete#10: WTF would you do that?
ReplyDeleteI've often wondered that myself. I used to haul logs with guys that would jack the HP up on their trucks to absurd levels. Then they'd take them down to Sacramento and put them on a dynamometer. One guy had a V-12 Detroit with two turbos on it. That thing was so hot that when it was on the dyno it would sling chunks of rubber onto the ceiling. It never made any sense to me. Tires were expensive even back then.
DeleteDifferent strokes for different folks, I guess.
That's practicing flinging protesters in the roadbed.
Delete#1 Hot Stuff!
ReplyDelete# 2 is just stupid beyond belief.
ReplyDelete#1 GOODYEARS??? What drag racer runs Goodyears? Most pros run Hoosiers and serious amateurs run Mickey Thompsons.
ReplyDeleteNHRA only runs Goodyears in their Pro categories, Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro Stock.
Delete#3: Well, that helmet wouldn't have done any good if he had landed on his head. Maybe next tie fasten the strap?
ReplyDelete#2 slow traffic keep right jack ass. LOL
ReplyDelete#6: People posting about chivalry. All I see is insecurity and possessiveness. If she's gonna dress like that she's gonna get attention, and at the risk of "victim blaming" if you don't want people looking up your skirt then wear a fucking longer skirt. It's not rocket science.
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