Almonds are a huge water user. There’s plenty of water but the state uses delta smelt and king salmon as a lever . Just like they do/did with spotted owls, kit Fox, red legged frog, some salamander, boccachio(fish) etc
Exactly. Ask the farmers what they pay for water, as compared to the average homeowner in L.A. What it amounts to is the homeowner is subsidizing the water bills for almond farmers.
The whole salers will keep the prices high as if there is not an almond to be found. Eventually the farmers will go out of business because there is no demand at that price.
My Brother in Law's Parents operated a Grove in Redding CA. He said what you get in the Store are not Almonds, they are Amonds. Because to pick them they shake the L out of them.
CBS news. Not sure I would believe those blowhards. I know some of us older guys want to trust them, but we shouldn’t. No more than we trust any 20 year old.
Go watch season 3 of Goliath with Billy Bob Thornton. Those almond grower guys are water hogging shysters and not to be trusted at all. (In fact, watch all 4 seasons of Goliath...great show)
Recent talk from an economist, 70 percent of almonds are exported. Australia is also in the top 4 producers world wide. China is the largest importer, and they don't grow them there for some reason.
If most almonds are exported and China is the largest importer then losing local almonds would not only deprive us of almonds but it would also make our trade deficit with China worse (one less thing to export to China).
Other priorities in play here, like the Arizona alfalfa farms owned by the Saudis, which export their fodder to Saudi for the racehorses. US water is cheaper than Daudi water, so it is cheaper to grow here and pay shipping than it is to grow locally. Almonds are mechanically harvested and processed for sale, so little of their expense is labor. Almond orchards support banks, owners, exporters, and foreign buyers. John in Indy
On the other side CA used to have a large business growing roses, that went away with NAFTA and now Colombia has the business. Free trade always means going with low cost, low wage producer. Eventually USA will become low wage country if we stick with free trade.
Almonds are a huge water user.
ReplyDeleteThere’s plenty of water but the state uses delta smelt and king salmon as a lever . Just like they do/did with spotted owls, kit Fox, red legged frog, some salamander, boccachio(fish) etc
Exactly. Ask the farmers what they pay for water, as compared to the average homeowner in L.A. What it amounts to is the homeowner is subsidizing the water bills for almond farmers.
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Internet factoid - it takes a gallon of water to grow an almond.
DeleteCheaper almonds for the US or go the F out of business, idgaf.
ReplyDeleteThe whole salers will keep the prices high as if there is not an almond to be found. Eventually the farmers will go out of business because there is no demand at that price.
DeleteMy Brother in Law's Parents operated a Grove in Redding CA. He said what you get in the Store are not Almonds, they are Amonds. Because to pick them they shake the L out of them.
ReplyDeleteCBS news. Not sure I would believe those blowhards. I know some of us older guys want to trust them, but we shouldn’t. No more than we trust any 20 year old.
ReplyDeleteGo watch season 3 of Goliath with Billy Bob Thornton. Those almond grower guys are water hogging shysters and not to be trusted at all. (In fact, watch all 4 seasons of Goliath...great show)
ReplyDeleteRecent talk from an economist, 70 percent of almonds are exported.
ReplyDeleteAustralia is also in the top 4 producers world wide.
China is the largest importer, and they don't grow them there for some reason.
If most almonds are exported and China is the largest importer then losing local almonds would not only deprive us of almonds but it would also make our trade deficit with China worse (one less thing to export to China).
DeleteOther priorities in play here, like the Arizona alfalfa farms owned by the Saudis, which export their fodder to Saudi for the racehorses.
DeleteUS water is cheaper than Daudi water, so it is cheaper to grow here and pay shipping than it is to grow locally.
Almonds are mechanically harvested and processed for sale, so little of their expense is labor.
Almond orchards support banks, owners, exporters, and foreign buyers.
John in Indy
On the other side CA used to have a large business growing roses, that went away with NAFTA and now Colombia has the business. Free trade always means going with low cost, low wage producer. Eventually USA will become low wage country if we stick with free trade.
ReplyDeleteUhmmm... Do you know what NAFTA means? Let me help you; North America Free Trade Agreement. Colombia is not in North America and not a NAFTA member.
DeleteTrump replaced NAFTA in his first term, guys. 'member? You remember!? Dunno what changed.
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