New bill filed would exclude junk food from SNAP Benefits
FRANKFORT, Ky. (WBKO) - A new bill filed in Frankfort would exclude junk foods and other foods of low nutritional value from Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits.
The problem, of course, is to define 'junk food'. How do you handle pasta? tomato sauce? cake mixes? My approach would be to say 'raw' food (eg, uncooked meat & fish, veg, dairy) and then a specific list of 'processed' foods (flour, pasta, possibly baked goods, juices, sauces, cheeses). And that's it. A permissive list, not a prohibited list. Much easier to manage, and easily implemented at checkout. SNAP eligible, and here's the bill for everything else. SNAP purchases would drop like a rock except for the folks who do try to use it correctly- and who know how to cook. And offer cooking lessons!
Yay! *and* Boo! On the one hand, SNAP shouldn't exist. All government "charity" should be stopped, as it's all vote buying and socialism, no actual charity uses other people's money. It's theft and fraud from the word go.
And therefore, every restriction is a good thing.
OTOH, studies have repeatedly shown (and it makes sense) that if you actually want to reduce poverty permanently, the most effective method is to just flat out give people cash. They tend to use it to improve their position, going to school, investing in their lawn company, etc. So every restriction just makes this "charity" even less effective at its supposed goals.
(I.E. if it was actually trying to help people, the fewer restrictions the better. But they're NOT trying to help people, they're trying to destroy them, so restrictions make *total* sense in that context. Like the restriction to "no man in the house" caused the current epidemic of fatherlessness in the black community.)
It's a liberal wet dream, but the boos will buy the stuff not banned like bread, soup and pasta then go out on the street to sell it for 25 cents on the dollar and head to a greasy spoon and eat crap.
Yes, folks will abuse any damn thing. OGF got $250/m in SNAP, but cashed most of it out. I get ~$100, but I actually enjoy cooking. ( And I do it well!) I don't mind getting the stink-eye when I check out at the local restaurant supply place with $20 in IQF shrimp (cheaper than hamburger, to tell you the truth), big bags of 3-pepper -and-onion blend, stir fry mix, mixed veg, and a couple cans of crushed tomatoes the size that can of coffee was when I was a kid. And all the marked down stuff I find useful in the cutout bins. And then give me a sideeye when I pull out the card of shame. Never the checkers. though. It's always the well-meaning AWFLs (Affluent, White, Female, Liberals) who cast their eyes at me in that way, with a $4000K/m mortgage, and two BMWs costing about the same. "Why should HE get to buy luxury goods with my charity!"
I'm buying groceries for the MONTH Margaret. You're buying for today, and you'll most likely fuck it up and call for fucking door-dash.
If you've ever worked at a charity food pantry, or had to use one, you'll be surprised at some of the questions. Do you have a fridge? A stove? A microwave, a can opener? (Really! If you don't they'll see that you do when you leave!) Some folks just don't, and the supplies are tailored to what you can actually use. They never have milk of butter or cooking oil at the charity places that I've been to, although for some reason they always throw in a box of mac-and-cheese. But they do have one important thing that you can't get with food stamps. Toilet paper! I mean, really, folks. The presence of food implies an eventual need for toilet paper, doesn't it?
Pantries are very different from the .gov services, and so so much better. It's folks who want to help, not time-filling jobsworths. You know that Kenny. You have mentioned (in passing, and with no trace of vanity) doing your part to help people. To the bureaucrats you're (I'm) just a number on a spreadsheet. Places staffed by old folks, retired people, or suffers from a common affliction (I had a friend, long in the past, who was HIV pos. Lovely, generous service from all. A literal fucking grocery store, but with a budget of N credits. Which they doubled, because I drove her there. I was assumed to be primary caregiver, and worthy of a full share. She was never symptomatic. We fucked like heroes, because it's almost impossible for a man to acquire an HIV infection from a woman. and she was hot as hell.)
I've ranted too fucking long, Kenny. Sorry about that. Ask me about th e fire that burned the place down.
Pisses me off to see a tribe of blacks of course gigantic mama in a electric cart. Two shopping carts heaping with little kids pushing. I've watched them unload at the cashier and not one nutritious meal. My wife and I worked for what we have and plan healthy meals. A lot comes from our garden.
Build special stores for the welfare crowd. Stock them only with the allowed foods. Their benefits can't be used in normal stores. Let the general public shop there too.
I like that idea. Couple it with strict requirements to prove a need every two weeks. Like how unemployment used to be. Come into the office and wait your turn. Or, go find a job.
If you wanted to help reduce poverty you'd stop paying baby mamas to pump out kids left and right. After the first little bastard welfare pavement ape slithers down the hole require the bitch to get sterilized else no welfare for you. Fucking apes with 5 kids in their early 20s with a different sperm donor for each future crackhead.
You gotta realize this is being done on purpose though. Cloward/Pivens wrote about how to destroy our country using this method.
I grew up rural, food was always available, you had a garden, you had stock. I ate a lot of chicken. Others had the same dirt, same plot. were always needy. The difference was work, did you do it or not. Some fell on hard times they had the poor farm to help them get on their feet. it wasn't easy but it worked. Handouts create the problems we see today.
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The problem, of course, is to define 'junk food'. How do you handle pasta? tomato sauce? cake mixes? My approach would be to say 'raw' food (eg, uncooked meat & fish, veg, dairy) and then a specific list of 'processed' foods (flour, pasta, possibly baked goods, juices, sauces, cheeses). And that's it. A permissive list, not a prohibited list. Much easier to manage, and easily implemented at checkout. SNAP eligible, and here's the bill for everything else. SNAP purchases would drop like a rock except for the folks who do try to use it correctly- and who know how to cook. And offer cooking lessons!
ReplyDeleteOr, go back to handing out gubmint cheese, peanut butter, etc.
DeleteTo be fair, I’ve ever had better grilled cheese than that made with government cheese.
DeleteYay! *and* Boo! On the one hand, SNAP shouldn't exist. All government "charity" should be stopped, as it's all vote buying and socialism, no actual charity uses other people's money. It's theft and fraud from the word go.
ReplyDeleteAnd therefore, every restriction is a good thing.
OTOH, studies have repeatedly shown (and it makes sense) that if you actually want to reduce poverty permanently, the most effective method is to just flat out give people cash. They tend to use it to improve their position, going to school, investing in their lawn company, etc. So every restriction just makes this "charity" even less effective at its supposed goals.
(I.E. if it was actually trying to help people, the fewer restrictions the better. But they're NOT trying to help people, they're trying to destroy them, so restrictions make *total* sense in that context. Like the restriction to "no man in the house" caused the current epidemic of fatherlessness in the black community.)
John G.
Oh, horseshit. What liberal studies did you get that from? You give them cash and they'll spend it on drugs.
DeleteAlso cigarettes and alcohol
DeleteJD
And tattoos.
Delete...no actual charity uses other people's money ....
DeleteAhem, have you not heard of food banks? Or a host of other legit charity orgs.
It's a liberal wet dream, but the boos will buy the stuff not banned like bread, soup and pasta then go out on the street to sell it for 25 cents on the dollar and head to a greasy spoon and eat crap.
ReplyDeleteBut, Mt. Dew is the lifeblood of some people.
ReplyDeleteAnyone that isn't physically disabled that refuses a job offer, any job, should not receive one penny in welfare payments or food credits.
ReplyDeleteOoh! Ooh! Pick me, teach! No works, no money, is poverty shaming! Now if we renamed it .gov mandated dieting...
DeleteYes, folks will abuse any damn thing. OGF got $250/m in SNAP, but cashed most of it out. I get ~$100, but I actually enjoy cooking. ( And I do it well!) I don't mind getting the stink-eye when I check out at the local restaurant supply place with $20 in IQF shrimp (cheaper than hamburger, to tell you the truth), big bags of 3-pepper -and-onion blend, stir fry mix, mixed veg, and a couple cans of crushed tomatoes the size that can of coffee was when I was a kid. And all the marked down stuff I find useful in the cutout bins. And then give me a sideeye when I pull out the card of shame. Never the checkers. though. It's always the well-meaning AWFLs (Affluent, White, Female, Liberals) who cast their eyes at me in that way, with a $4000K/m mortgage, and two BMWs costing about the same. "Why should HE get to buy luxury goods with my charity!"
ReplyDeleteI'm buying groceries for the MONTH Margaret. You're buying for today, and you'll most likely fuck it up and call for fucking door-dash.
If you've ever worked at a charity food pantry, or had to use one, you'll be surprised at some of the questions. Do you have a fridge? A stove? A microwave, a can opener? (Really! If you don't they'll see that you do when you leave!) Some folks just don't, and the supplies are tailored to what you can actually use. They never have milk of butter or cooking oil at the charity places that I've been to, although for some reason they always throw in a box of mac-and-cheese. But they do have one important thing that you can't get with food stamps. Toilet paper! I mean, really, folks. The presence of food implies an eventual need for toilet paper, doesn't it?
Pantries are very different from the .gov services, and so so much better. It's folks who want to help, not time-filling jobsworths. You know that Kenny. You have mentioned (in passing, and with no trace of vanity) doing your part to help people. To the bureaucrats you're (I'm) just a number on a spreadsheet. Places staffed by old folks, retired people, or suffers from a common affliction (I had a friend, long in the past, who was HIV pos. Lovely, generous service from all. A literal fucking grocery store, but with a budget of N credits. Which they doubled, because I drove her there. I was assumed to be primary caregiver, and worthy of a full share. She was never symptomatic. We fucked like heroes, because it's almost impossible for a man to acquire an HIV infection from a woman. and she was hot as hell.)
I've ranted too fucking long, Kenny. Sorry about that. Ask me about th e fire that burned the place down.
Pisses me off to see a tribe of blacks of course gigantic mama in a electric cart. Two shopping carts heaping with little kids pushing. I've watched them unload at the cashier and not one nutritious meal. My wife and I worked for what we have and plan healthy meals. A lot comes from our garden.
ReplyDeleteBuild special stores for the welfare crowd. Stock them only with the allowed foods. Their benefits can't be used in normal stores. Let the general public shop there too.
ReplyDeleteI like that idea. Couple it with strict requirements to prove a need every two weeks. Like how unemployment used to be. Come into the office and wait your turn. Or, go find a job.
DeleteIf you wanted to help reduce poverty you'd stop paying baby mamas to pump out kids left and right. After the first little bastard welfare pavement ape slithers down the hole require the bitch to get sterilized else no welfare for you. Fucking apes with 5 kids in their early 20s with a different sperm donor for each future crackhead.
ReplyDeleteYou gotta realize this is being done on purpose though. Cloward/Pivens wrote about how to destroy our country using this method.
I grew up rural, food was always available, you had a garden, you had stock. I ate a lot of chicken. Others had the same dirt, same plot. were always needy. The difference was work, did you do it or not. Some fell on hard times they had the poor farm to help them get on their feet. it wasn't easy but it worked. Handouts create the problems we see today.
ReplyDelete