While I agree on the sentiment of this, as always, the devil is ion the details. How is 'assault' defined? Too broad and it could snare some drunk 20-something girl, who after being pulled over for a DUI, etc., decides to slap the arresting police officer somewhere on his/her body. Sure there should be consequences for this, but that doesn't merit 20 years in the can without parole.
"Better yet, in for a pound. If I'm looking at life either way, might as well kill the piggie."
Welcome to the world of unintended consequences. Same as how things like car burglar alarms and The Club, which were supposed to stop car theft, simply changed it from low danger theft of unoccupied vehicles to high danger carjackings.
With a very loose description for assault will just mean more jack booted thuggery for us dirt people. It won't pass prisons are to full and the commies just tried a state question to let more thugs out of prison. It failed.
It's already a felony in Kentucky. Depending on the situation, the officer usually gets to decide if it was "resisting arrest" or "assault on a peace officer". When I was working as a deputy I had to make that decision a few times. Some chick, high on bath salts, and having a very bad day, actually thanked me a few months after she tried to claw my eyes out. I told her I tried not to judge her on the worst day of her life. She bought me a sandwich. She is doing well now. Has her kids back and everything.
Some chick who came in stone cold sober and spit on me... well, she picked up a felony. She still has a few months left on her bid, assuming she can act right.
That's one of many reasons why I'm against this. Spitting is disgusting but it simply doesn't rise to the level of a felony, yet it is treated that way in several states.
You are at greater of being injured (and dying) as a construction worker than as a law enforcement officer, but break out the bagpipes if "one of their own" gets a paper cut.
And now they (government) want a law making it prison for life if you defend yourself from one of these thugs? Imagine my shock.
My life is worth as much as anybody’s. If the government, at every turn, is trying to limit my ability to defend myself, my suspicions grow when they also want to make themselves untouchable. If a law like this passes, it’ll only be days or weeks until they extend it to cover legislators, city councils, administrative and executive staff.
No, nope, not a good plan. Crimes against government employees should not carry heavier sentences than crimes against citizens. There should be one crime "assault" and let it go at that.
I’m not for making LE asses even more flameproof than they already are. I don’t buy any of this “special circumstances “ shit or “hate crimes “. You commit a crime, you do the time. Not more or less. No matter who you are or what motivated you. I don’t give a shit how you grew up or how oppressed you were or are. Nor do I care how much money you or your family have. You fuck up, you pay. All the same price, up to and including death. I also believe that if you have paid that price, you should be able to vote and own weapons. Who’s more likely have to live in a dangerous neighborhood than an ex con? Eod1sg Ret
Twenty years in the joint would be a life sentence... if I make it through without incurring additional time for tuning-up a few nincompoops.
Might such a 'law' encourage somebody to avoid the no-way-out twenty-year sentence by eliminating LawEnforcementOfficial witnesses? Pre-emptive like? From a few hundred yards away?
And if a government judge or government prosecutor... shucks, a 'lone White male' might could see those problems as opportunities.
A couple-three 'lone White male' acting independently might could see that 'law' ignored by LawEnforcementOfficials real quick. A couple-three dozen 'lone White male' might could crash TheSystem.
The same scenario should be considered by the county tax department and also possibly county Judges who think they are the be all, end all of the arm of Justice.
When a man has nothing left to lose, what might have been a simple assault charge, turning into a life sentence might make the difference between going along peacefully and "You'll never get me alive, coppa!"
While I agree on the sentiment of this, as always, the devil is ion the details. How is 'assault' defined? Too broad and it could snare some drunk 20-something girl, who after being pulled over for a DUI, etc., decides to slap the arresting police officer somewhere on his/her body. Sure there should be consequences for this, but that doesn't merit 20 years in the can without parole.
ReplyDeleteHow about a two way street for citizens?
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteBetter yet, in for a pound. If I'm looking at life either way, might as well kill the piggie.
"Better yet, in for a pound. If I'm looking at life either way, might as well kill the piggie."
DeleteWelcome to the world of unintended consequences. Same as how things like car burglar alarms and The Club, which were supposed to stop car theft, simply changed it from low danger theft of unoccupied vehicles to high danger carjackings.
I suppose it would be easier to become a cop and one of the untouchables than either a mega star or mega rich.
ReplyDeleteWith a very loose description for assault will just mean more jack booted thuggery for us dirt people. It won't pass prisons are to full and the commies just tried a state question to let more thugs out of prison. It failed.
ReplyDeleteIt's already a felony in Kentucky. Depending on the situation, the officer usually gets to decide if it was "resisting arrest" or "assault on a peace officer". When I was working as a deputy I had to make that decision a few times. Some chick, high on bath salts, and having a very bad day, actually thanked me a few months after she tried to claw my eyes out. I told her I tried not to judge her on the worst day of her life. She bought me a sandwich. She is doing well now. Has her kids back and everything.
ReplyDeleteSome chick who came in stone cold sober and spit on me... well, she picked up a felony. She still has a few months left on her bid, assuming she can act right.
Matt in KY.
That's one of many reasons why I'm against this. Spitting is disgusting but it simply doesn't rise to the level of a felony, yet it is treated that way in several states.
DeleteExcept you don't know if the person has AIDS or Hepatitis C or any other disease spread by bodily fluids.
DeleteLaw will be severely misused. Expect reports of assault on le to increase many fold.
ReplyDeleteYou are at greater of being injured (and dying) as a construction worker than as a law enforcement officer, but break out the bagpipes if "one of their own" gets a paper cut.
ReplyDeleteAnd now they (government) want a law making it prison for life if you defend yourself from one of these thugs? Imagine my shock.
My life is worth as much as anybody’s. If the government, at every turn, is trying to limit my ability to defend myself, my suspicions grow when they also want to make themselves untouchable. If a law like this passes, it’ll only be days or weeks until they extend it to cover legislators, city councils, administrative and executive staff.
ReplyDeleteNo, nope, not a good plan. Crimes against government employees should not carry heavier sentences than crimes against citizens. There should be one crime "assault" and let it go at that.
ReplyDeleteI’m not for making LE asses even more flameproof than they already are. I don’t buy any of this “special circumstances “ shit or “hate crimes “. You commit a crime, you do the time. Not more or less. No matter who you are or what motivated you. I don’t give a shit how you grew up or how oppressed you were or are. Nor do I care how much money you or your family have. You fuck up, you pay. All the same price, up to and including death. I also believe that if you have paid that price, you should be able to vote and own weapons. Who’s more likely have to live in a dangerous neighborhood than an ex con? Eod1sg Ret
ReplyDeleteAgree 100% and with Matt in KY!!! grayman
DeleteI will be 69 in a few weeks.
ReplyDeleteTwenty years in the joint would be a life sentence... if I make it through without incurring additional time for tuning-up a few nincompoops.
Might such a 'law' encourage somebody to avoid the no-way-out twenty-year sentence by eliminating LawEnforcementOfficial witnesses?
Pre-emptive like?
From a few hundred yards away?
And if a government judge or government prosecutor... shucks, a 'lone White male' might could see those problems as opportunities.
A couple-three 'lone White male' acting independently might could see that 'law' ignored by LawEnforcementOfficials real quick.
A couple-three dozen 'lone White male' might could crash TheSystem.
Hypothetical like.
Do not break into small groups, do not discuss.
The same scenario should be considered by the county tax department and also possibly county Judges who think they are the be all, end all of the arm of Justice.
DeleteWhen a man has nothing left to lose, what might have been a simple assault charge, turning into a life sentence might make the difference between going along peacefully and "You'll never get me alive, coppa!"
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