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Friday, February 19, 2021
Does the ATF Have a List of Guns You Own?
Last month several Gun Owners of America staff members attended the SHOT Show to deliver our “no compromise” message to the firearms industry. It is an exciting time at GOA as we build relationships with some of the best names in the industry. Watch our Partners Page grow over the coming weeks and months.
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Sold a lot of them during these obscene prices, ammo included.
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The hell with Goa and nra. Keep your money for you and yours only. As far as gun lists, 4473 are out there. Don’t think for a minute they don’t have access to them all any time thy want.
ReplyDeleteCIII
By law (at least for now), the 4473’s are kept on-file (hard-copy) at the FFL that processes the NICS check. They’re not in any searchable database, HOWEVER - they have to be made available for ATF inspection, usually as part of a chain of ownership trace.
DeleteThey have been known to make copies of all the forms on file since their ‘last visit’. Purely fir tracing firearms used in crime. Honest!
If the FFL should ever close their business - they have to send the 4473 forms to the ATF at their offices in WV. THIS is when the info gets into a database, even though it’s only supposed to be kept there for ‘archival’ purposes...
No they don't. Most of mine were bought before 1986 and they have no history. Other, later, more modern were bought for me and have someone elses name on the paperwork.
DeleteThe hell with Goa and nra. Keep your money for you and yours only. As far as gun lists, 4473 are out there. Don’t think for a minute they don’t have access to them all any time thy want.
ReplyDeleteCIII
I was contacted by the BATFE in the mid 90's once. They said they had a gun "registered" to me that was used in the commission of a federal felony. I lived in Tennessee at the time and never "registered" a weapon in my life. I had bought a few SKS's back when you could get them for less than $100.00 and you could also get Chink 7.62x39 $99 for 1,000 rds. Gave one to a friend of mine who eventually got crossways with the feds. They raided his house, made him unlock his safe, laid his guns out - and accused him. Had to have got my info from the background check paperwork.
ReplyDeleteGuns? What guns?
ReplyDeleteI will gladly assist all interested parties in ascertaining my precise inventory. I have nothing worth hiding.
ReplyDeleteYou know as well as I do that batfe has all records of gun sales already in their grubby little paws. While I am not in favor of making it easy for them, who cares.
ReplyDeleteIt truly is too late to stop them from being unAmerican and acting contrary to the Constitution.
I agree Charlie. Too many of us gun owners are unwilling to realize this but the system is certainly created to allow the feds to EASILY know who bought what guns when. Before I got my CCW permit here in Georgia, when you went to buy a gun, the store would "call" I guess the BATFE to get permission to sell you a gun. Now tell me, what information was given to those folks on that phone call? If you don't think there wasn't some data base created on those phone calls alone, then I got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
DeleteRay
They weren’t supposed to be any database made from the data used to make the NICS check, but ‘ya know... things happen. :-/
DeleteThey don't know a damned thing about mine. All the ones bought new were purchased private sale, with cash, in parking lots. Since then I have purchased a Ghost Gunner 2, a 3D printer, dillon 750, and a DC power supply. Between those, and my existing hand and power tools, I can make any part I need that I don't have a stash of. My only purchases from here on out are printer filament and raw bar stock.
ReplyDeleteYou can't stop the code, bitches!
Fairplayjeepguy
And you don't think you're on a list for having any of those?
DeleteOr for posting here?
You really don't think the three-letter-agencies have a darned good idea of what you have purchased from private sales?
Where, exactly, in the last 20 years have you been? In a bunker cut off from everyone? Taken by space aliens? In a sanitorium?
Trust me. I worked in local law enforcement. The amount of info the Feds have on you even if you played the 'private sales game' is astounding. Especially the BATFE. Those bastards probably have a list of your shoe sizes since you started going to school.
I am behind a VPN, my devices are rooted, MAC and device IDs are spoofed, and router is behind a pi-hole. They would have a hell of a time attaching me to anything.
DeleteAnd to think that cash sales in a parking lots in a dozen different states over the last 10 years is traceable is near next level brain damage. I'm not a dog, I don't have a GPS or microchip embedded in me.
Fairplayjeepguy
Doubtful. Very doubtful. At least not all of them.
ReplyDeleteThe last gun purchase I made took the computer record keeping one step further. The 4473 was filled out on the computer and transmitted electronically for the background check.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, wonder if the term " private transfer or sale " has ever been explained to the people who write about ATF lists and such. I'd be willing to bet less than half of the people who filled out that ATF Form 4473 still have that weapon.
ReplyDeleteI joined the GOA, but dropped out after they started spouting that firearms education was gun confiscation in disguise. Texas passed a bill with funding for firearms education for school children. Basic things along the lines of the NRA's Eddie Eagle program. I figured if they're looney enough to equate anything and everything to confiscation, I'd send my support elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteRead Unintended Consequences
ReplyDeleteIf we all become Henry Bowman when the time comes no worries.
DeleteI think that we would all be incredibly naive to think that the ATF/FBI deletes the results of the NICS.
ReplyDeleteThey don't have it all many pre 68 guns without serial numbers out there. Many more that the number was forgot or didn't make it to the new part.
ReplyDeleteShort answer: Yes. Long answer: Undoubtedly.
ReplyDeleteFGC-9
ReplyDeleteSorry, calling BS! There was no 2021 SHOT Show.
ReplyDeletehttps://shotshow.org/nssf-announces-2021-shot-show-cancellation/
Didn't it go virtual?
Deletehttps://shotshow.org/2021-shot-show-update-kicking-off-shot-show-on-demand/