VIDEO HERE (7:24 minutes)
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In the video, he talks a little about the unreliability of 22LR ammo, which is the main reason, based on my own personal experience, I wouldn't consider a 22 for even a back-up gun.
I cannot even begin to tell you how many misfires I've had using 22LR. Granted, I've shot a lot more 22 than I have any other caliber or maybe even all other calibers combined, but I cannot recall ever having a misfire on any 45 ACP. I do remember getting a 22LR bulk box of 550 rounds once that was giving me at least a couple misfires from every 10 round magazine. I thought it was the gun at first, but I switched ammo and it ran fine.
I've also gotten a few hangfires from 22LR and I've never gotten that from centerfire ammo.
I will say that the huge majority of ammo failures came from bulk boxes although I remember having a box of CCI Stingers that I trashed because I had misfires on 3 or 4 out of 10 rounds in a single magazine when I was shooting ground squirrels, but that was years and years ago. I haven't had an issue with CCI since, though.
Now, all that being said, here's another video from Lucky Gunner where they're addressing the issue of unreliable 22LR ammo.
Is .22 LR Too Unreliable for Self-Defense? (7:37 minutes)
Last 6 years I've shot a shitload of 22.
ReplyDeleteMy first edc was a s&w compact 22.
I was extremely confident with that gun.
Watch paul harrell's demonstration on 22 reliability.
imagine a nine shot 22 revolver, with Aguila SS 64grain rounds, wearing a Crimson Trace grip panel .... that would be good enough for most encounters
ReplyDeleteYou've got me thinking that I fucked up. I've had .22 LR duds here and there too. When I was recovering from shoulder and eye surgery and could not handle recoil at all I loaded up a Ruger 10/22 for home defense. Upon thinking about it my Henry lever gun would have been better because you can clear a misfire without even thinking about it. I never thought of that.
ReplyDeleteThat lever action would be even better in 45-70.
DeleteHmmm...
ReplyDeleteI've had a .22 rifle and/or pistol by one manufacturer or another for over 65 years. I have never had a single misfire, and I've shot thousands of rounds. Perhaps being in the dry New Mexico environment is what made the difference with the ammo.
i have shot .22 LR for 40 years ..i might have had 2 misfires
ReplyDelete..... strange
I once read somewhere that if you can easily twist the bullet on a 22 round, then that particular brand, or batch, will likely have a lot of duds.
ReplyDeleteNope.
DeleteWorst case that might cause an underpowered round, but not a dud
The implication is that a loose bullet will be more likely to allow moisture to enter th case, possibly causing it to be a dud.
DeleteLike they mentioned in one of the videos, the only time I have problems firing .22s is with the cheaper bulk pack ammo. I shoot the premium target ammo (SK, RWS, Eley) in matches and *never* have ammo issues.
ReplyDeletedo you store your .22 ammo underwater ?
ReplyDeleteJust like every other firearm and cartridge a 22LR has pros and cons. For some the pros outweigh the cons. Someone elderly or with health problems might be better served with a 22 even with the cons. A firearm in 22LR is just about the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
ReplyDeleteAs with any gun calibers i use the cheap ammo for plinking when they are done they are reloaded with the good ammo, do NOT use cheap ammo for self defense! I have had misfires with all kinds of brands the most with cheap shit!!!! grayman
ReplyDeleteI like .22 a lot but wouldn’t consider it for an edc. I can honestly say I’ve had more ammo failures with center fire ammo in the last two years than I’ve had in my entire life with rimfire. Mostly white box Winchester. I still feel there is a minimum acceptable caliber for self defense and that’s 9 mm Luger. There are plenty of 9 mils out there that are designed for older or weaker hands. Capacity, bullet weight and velocity are damned important. IMHO. Eod1sg Ret
ReplyDeleteI've got several 22 revolvers, pistols, and rifles and I've never had a misfire with CCI ammo. I have though with cheap bulk 22 ammo.
ReplyDeleteHa! Winchester Wildcats (can I say that here?). A misfire in every box. Collect all 20 and win a hat, or something....
DeleteI have a 22LR American made lever action, never had a problem with it. A Henry.
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They recently changed the word to massacre from riot in the media. Bidet was in yesterday to speak. I heard only a 150 showed ha ha. My house in the airport pattern leaving he flew over wish I had a singer.
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I started out with a Buckmark which remains my favorite piece (even though I’m a Glock Girl and would grab my 19 before anything else). That said, my Buckmark does very well with CCI, not so much with other brands. Truth to tell, I cannot remember any misfires with CCI.
ReplyDeleteSeveral years ago, a pistol instructor corner me in a gun store out here in Hawaii. Some Dude asked him what was the best caliber for Home Defense, The instructor looked at me and asked, "Mr. Bastard, What's the Best Caliber For Home Defense"?
ReplyDeleteMy response was "Whatever You're Proficient In"
Kevin said "Explain"
My response was "Several days ago, somewhere on the mainland, a WWII had a home invasion. He turfed the first dude (diddu nothing) with a Center Mas shot from a Marlin semi .22 and the rest fled"
Do I think that .22lr is the best round for personal defense, no. But. neither is a .50BMG (still a Good Choice In My Book), just be Proficient in what you shoot.
Other customers asked me what the "Cheapest Pistol" was...
My response was:
After you buy the gun, you have to buy:
Ammo,
Targets,
Ammo,
Cleaning Kits,
Ammo
New Sights,
Ammo,
And Ammo.
The Cheapest Part of Buying The Gun is The Gun Itself. They Didn't Believe Me. The instructor snickered and Thanked Me!
I had a similar conversation with a (now former) boss, when I worked at a pawnshop who's owner liked to *think* it was a gun shop. The dingleberry owned a couple of hot dog carts prior to the pawnshop, and refused to even consider that anyone else could possibly know more about the firearms business than he could. (Especially frustrating considering I had been a gunsmith for 8 years, and in the firearms industry for over 10 years.)
DeleteHe would do stupid shit like order dozens of brand new Glocks, not the latest models mind you, but bare bones basic G17 9mm and G22 .40 ( but he would refuse to buy law enforcement 'trade in' guns, because "we don't sell beat up trash"). So he would routinely have Glocks priced at $699-799, while out competition had the 'trade in' guns blowing out the door at $399-425. Then he would throw tantrums because 'his' Glocks weren't selling.
I told him at one point,
"A customer doesn't *need* to buy a gun, and they will *always* buy from whoever has the best deal/treats them honestly. That being said, *if* we make them happy with good deals on guns, and buy their *loyalty* by being the most honest and fair place to buy guns, then where the hell do you think they will buy their accessories? They don't *need* that gun, but when it's bought they *will* need ammo/holsters/magazines/cleaning kits/grips/sights/ ect."
I was told that I was a "fucking moron with no idea how to be a busines", and to "shut the fuck up and go in the back room and fix something"
22 caliber gets shot a lot because its cheap. thousands of rounds through my rifles. when I start getting misfires, I change the firing pin. Compare the casing fired from the old pin to a casing from a new pin. Amazing difference in the indentation of the rim and no misfires after replaced.
ReplyDeleteBingo!
DeleteA good strike!
One of my favorites to plink with is my Ruger Mk II Government target model with 6 7/8" bull barrel with 7.5" twist on sup. CCI subs are what I normally fire with great accuracy and no failures with regular cleanings after about 500 rounds. I only have FTF when it gets too dirty and doesn't go fully into battery. I run the cheap brick ammo thru the rifle and sometimes I'll have a little trouble depending on the brand or bullet shape but mostly because it gets dirty quickly. Ohio Guy
ReplyDeleteI've got that exact same model of pistol and it's one of my all time favorites.
DeleteQuite a few years ago I decided to see how many rounds I could put through it without cleaning it before it failed to function. Several thousand rounds later, I admitted defeat and cleaned the pistol.
For me, the solution to misfires , even in my inexpensive H&R revolver, was...simply don't use "bulk pack" or promotional ammo if I expect reliable ignition. Break out DECENT stuff that costs a bit more.
ReplyDeleteI like what some consider to be "mouse guns" (.22, .25. and some folks ever classify .32 acp in this category). Most of the time handguns fall into two traditional categories for me. They are "work guns" (larger framed revolvers and autos Browning High Powers, 1911s, Ruger magnum series revolvers, etc.) and then there are concealable guns (i.e. NAA .22LR/.22WMR, Baby Browning types, KelTec pocket pistols, etc.). As a retired Army Ranger friend who now is a security consultant once told me, "they will all get the job done. The question you have to ask yourself is do you have time to wait". Nowadays, there are some pretty nifty 9mm and .45 acp irons on the market that sort of fit in the middle and I'm glad to see them available. Yes, a Glock 19 in concealable, but hard to hide in a pair of swimming trunks while out on the boat or at the beach, but a North American Arms .22 WMR five shot revolver isn't even noticeable.
ReplyDeleteAs far as misfires with .22LR, I have had some (maybe two per thousand) after shooting tens of thousands of rounds in my lifetime. All of these were bulk purchases. However, I did buy a "brick" of Aguila about six years ago (which I normally have good luck with) where I probably was averaging 3 misfires per hundred rounds. I think it was a bad batch.
I used to shoot bullseye and burned thru a lot of .22. I stayed with Federal because it was the most consistent in my pistol. That said, I did have a series of misfires-after I tried some new wiz bang new lube. All that being said, Have carried a NAA .22 mag revolver. I figured max distance 12 feet. If I didn’t hit anybody, the sheer damn noise of the thing would scare ‘em away!
ReplyDeleteJFM
Lots of guys who kill for a living use .22s. If it's good enough for them...
ReplyDeleteIn "Assassination Tango" Robert Duval made good use of one...
DeleteHaven't had a misfire yet with my .22 magnum Henry lever action...better ammo?....
ReplyDelete20 or so years ago Bass Pro had a sale on bricks of Remington gold .22 for IIRC $8.25. I bought so many that I still have about 7-8 bricks left. I had thought they were bad because my ruger 10/22 misfired all the time, even when the gun was extremely clean and lubricated. Since then I've acquired other 10/22's and 22 pistols and the rem gold 22 turns out to be OK range fodder. Remington "thunderbolts" are ok range fodder too. Cant Believe that the brick of thunderbolt that I bought from "Dunhams" for $17.50 last year is going for $175 now.
ReplyDeleteBack to the subject at hand- would I use a .22 for personal protection? Only if I have nothing more. My ruger sp 101 .22 is so hard to shoot double action that I have to use it single action, a thug would be on me before I could get more than a couple off. My S&W victory shoots great but its as big as a full size 9mm.
First rule of gunfighting is "have a gun". I have several handguns, but nothing is easier to carry than my American Arms 5 shot .22 derringer. Folds down into the handle, and clips in my pocket. It's there right now, and I'm at work. I'd love to have the same thing in 38 special, but as far as I know, that doesn't exist.
ReplyDeleteHawkpilot
The unreliability of 22 rimfire is what led to the most useless cartridge in the civilized world - the 25 acp.
ReplyDeleteI can recall very few misfires with .22 LR ammo of any brand. In the '70s it cost about 50 cents a box and I shot a LOT of it.
ReplyDeleteThese days my go-to is CCI Mini Mag. It functions reliably in all my semiautos except the PT22's factory mag, which is glitchy. (Aftermarket mag works better but I still don't trust this pistol.)