Under the proposal, the government would collect information about the miles that drivers travel from smartphone apps, another on-board device, automakers, insurance companies, gas stations, or other means. For now, the initiative would only be a test effort — the government would solicit volunteers who drive commercial and passenger vehicles — but the idea still raises concerns about the government tracking people’s private data.
-Rurik
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So they may track it from what you spend at the gas pump. That's nice, I don't have a single tool used for the upkeep on my property that's battery powered and I go through anywhere from 5 to 10 gallons of gas per week just on my lawn, which means I'd be paying a mileage tax for mowing my fucking yard.
The more they spend, the more they tax. Yet people who pay more attention to feelings than facts keep voting for them.
ReplyDeleteWill this be in addition to, or replacing the per gallon tax? BOHICA&A&A&A
ReplyDeleteMany years ago, the Palisades Parkway between NY and NJ was wired for EZpass transponder info collection. Got it from the horse's mouth.
ReplyDeleteIt is NOT A TOLL ROAD.
So why wire RF to track cars? This shit has been building a while now.
I think there are sensors on our Turnpike between Okc and Tulsa in addition to the toll gate. There are objects back on the fence line every so often. Saw them years ago.
DeleteHaving your lawn mowed by an illegal though will not be counted.
ReplyDeleteThe long-haul trucking companies may have some objections. These idiots don't realize that everything, at one time or another, is transported by truck. Their little gem will drive prices up on all goods and services in the country. Then again, maybe they do realize it, and that's a feature, not a bug. . .
ReplyDeleteYou peasants will pay more in taxes, live with less, and die miserably. And we'll live in a world where there are less of you and you suffer more before you die. Win/win, baby!
Delete- Your Friendly Elites
Or maybe they don't deliver to those fuckers cities.
DeleteFive to ten gallons a week? I don't use five gallons in a year and that includes the snowthrower that I do the 400 foot driveway with.
ReplyDeleteQuite the estate you have there Ken!
I've got three acres and I mow every four days. My mower has a 3 gallon tank and it takes a tank and a half to mow it once. Then there's the weedeating and trimming and that takes gas too.
DeleteEvery four days??? EVERY FOUR FREAKIN' DAYS????? Man. Mine gets it every 14 days, and if it gets too high, that's it - no more water till you settle down.
DeleteYeah, I know, huh? The damned grass grows so fast here that if I go a week without mowing it grows up past my ankle.
DeleteI did catch a break last week because it was so dry here, but then it rained a couple days ago and that shit just exploded.
When I lived in California, if I didn't want to mow, I'd just quit watering it and let it die off. Here, it rains so often I don't even own a sprinkler.
Use cash to buy prepaid Visa cards in your ex's name and use that to buy gas.
ReplyDeleteGood idea thanks.
DeleteThey going to charge all (commercial/private) airplanes........
ReplyDeletethis “carbon” tax per mile.....????
How about boats, buses, motorcycles, rockets, and trains....????
Ed357
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
ReplyDeleteNemo
Ah, yes the constitution, a quaint relic that at one time, the political class brought up every 4 years, during election campaigns. Now relegated to the dust heap of what was once the core of our republic.
DeleteI wonder if Claire Wolfe would say that it is getting time to shoot the bastards yet.
How cute! You actually believe in that bullshit!
Delete- The Government
Well, you have to draw a line somewhere, so it might as well be right behind the constitution. At least then, you have something to lean back on, with a lot of others on each side.
DeleteI wonder how long it will be before there is a methane gas sensor on my toilet and is connected to the internet in conjunction with my bank to deduct my gas tax directly from my account. Some of my meals really gives me gas. I suppose we’ll have to pay additional taxes for our pets to take a shit? And what if you own livestock? Where does the madness end?
ReplyDeleteMadMarlin
Only when it's all of them...
DeleteClearly, no one in .gov for the last 30 years thought about the impact of going to electric vehicles.
ReplyDeleteNemo
That is there aim. Restrict our movement by EV's.
DeleteA government mandated GPS device tracked by the feds in every new car is inevitable. I know they're there already for the most part, but every move you make will be tracked.
ReplyDeleteThat's some screwed up shit right there.
And they can then shut you down if TPTB decide to limit your travel .The G.M Onstar system does it now .
DeleteNot just GPS tracking, but an “OnStar” type device that allows remote shut off of your engine. It would help capture kidnappers and terrorists. It would never be used against political “undesirables”. (Only a paranoid nutcase, or a terrorist would make such a horrid and obviously false claim.)
DeleteIf you oppose this common sense measure to install remote shutoff in every car then you side with child-molesting kidnappers. And you’re probably a racist white guy. Shame! You need to Do Better.
Excellent; you are safe Mike_C……for now.
DeleteAnd the black box that's on a loop for your last so many minutes of driving data so they can properly prosecute you if you make a mistake.
Delete"The RIGHT of a CITIZEN to TRAVEL UPON THE PUBLIC HIGHWAYS and TO TRANSPORT HIS PROPERTY THEREON in the ordinary course of life and business is A COMMON RIGHT which he has under his RIGHT TO ENJOY LIFE AND LIBERTY.... It includes the RIGHT in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under existing modes of travel includes the RIGHT to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or TO OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE THEREON for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is NOT A MERE PRIVILEGE, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which the city may permit or prohibit at will. Thompson v. Smith, 154 S.E. 579, 1929".
ReplyDelete"A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution. The power to impose a license tax on the exercise of these freedoms is indeed as potent as the power of censorship which this Court has repeatedly struck down a person cannot be compelled ‘to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the Constitution.’ " ~~ MURDOCK V. PENNSYLVANIA 319 US 105 (1942)
Q.E.D Taxes used to restirct the Right to Travel is an unconstitutional abridgement. In the event that courts and cops ignore this and still impose their unlawful regtirctions, the the Second Amendment will come into play.
Hate to break it to you wirecutter, but you're already paying a highway tax to mow your lawn. Unless you're getting red-dye gasoline. I bought red-dye diesel for my tractor for years, but I've never found red-dye gasoline. Not anywhere around here, anyway. Red-dye is typically about $1.50/gal less than regular, because you don't pay the highway tax, and the taxes on gasoline are insanely high.
ReplyDeleteWhat's interesting about that is that the gasoline tax doesn't pay for the roads. It goes to the roads, but it's not nearly enough. Property taxes, sales taxes, and all sorts of other things go into it too. Essentially, driving a car around is a heavily subsidized activity. If the green wackos actually gave a damn about the environment, they'd fight to end the car subsidy, and fight for nuclear power too. But they don't because it all comes back to pushing totalitarianism. The environment has fuck all to do with it.
If you're caught using red-dye (either flavor) in your truck you're in trouble, of course, because it's a highway tax, and it's already essentially per-mile tax. So IMHO this new "per mile" bullshit is nothing more nor less than an(other) excuse to track and control people more closely.
And y'all thought Ken was being paranoid about never turning his cell phone on unless he was going to call someone...
ReplyDeleteNote to me: Pull the OnStar fuses and see where it interfaces with the rest of the truck.
.......... I'd be paying a mileage tax for mowing my fucking yard.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but you're already paying that tax. The feds put their hands on the fuel before you bought it, and so the price included the road taxes. Then there's the taxes that could be tacked on by the state.
Don't quote me on this, always do your own research, but I believe if you have proof that all this fuel was used exclusively in an off highway application you can file for an abatement on taxes paid.
What if they solicited volunteers and EVERYONE told them to fuck off?
ReplyDeleteYeah, right.
Oh, Karen will be there waiting to read your odometer before you turn the key off.
DeleteThe ultimate goal is to make the use of gasoline/diesel SO EXPENSIVE that nobody except my filthy rich can afford to travel. Part of the lefts agenda of turning ALL of us into slaves.... The goal...."You Will own nothing and like it", "You Will go nowhere and be happy", "You will STARVE and thank us". We aren't getting out of this predicament peacefully or legally. Violence IS coming. The only question being do we LET them inflict it on US or do we use violence to remove the commie tyrants who are destroying America and enslaving all of us. Those are the kn!y two realistic paths available to us.
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