You hear it, too. In private conversations with people they trust, American citizens are heaping contempt on doctors for forcing a narrative on us that had no basis in science. Many of us, perhaps even the majority, immediately recognized this virus for what it is: a common flu virus maybe engineered to be more contagious if not more fatal but hardly differing substantially from other influenza strains. We have lived with seasonal flu all our lives. We saw no reason to fear it until the medical community, and Anthony Fauci specifically, started telling lies.
-Stormfax
Doctors like politicians are mostly sellouts to the lobbies and pharmaceutical companies. They sold their intergerty and patients health for money and perks. The never ending visits, tests and prescriptions provides a perpetual billing cycle for them..... Fuck Em
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Never again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDQ1nXRkVU
ReplyDeleteDitto....
ReplyDeleteI can't even begin to say how this pains me - 40+ years in medicine, 24+ as a nurse practitioner. I learned from the old guys, from those who learned before internet and computerized technology, from those who still did house calls, those who focused on the patient and not on lab tests and radiology. These were the same men and women who viewed being a doctor as a mission, as an honor, and as a heavy burden to hold someone's life in their hands.
ReplyDeleteI have seen the the focus of medicine move from patient care to a being a business. From spending time with each patient, to rushing them through because some administrator focused on the dollar. It became a losing battle to explain to the business people that providing good solid medical care would, in the log-run, take care of the finances. The problem was my philosophy wasn't bringing the money in fast enough.
I have no solutions except to say - seek out those in healthcare who still view it as a mission, who will listen to your concerns, who will present viable options, and who will encourage you to make the final decision.
The bean counters are really impressed with the clever hacks they come up with to save money/make money. But when the work you do is with people, the only ones impressed by these hacks....are hacks(and the credulous). Not a good long term business model.
DeleteRelearning the reason why this phrase came about - Penny wise and pound foolish.
That would be nice, but... how many hundreds of doctors would you have to see to find that "one."
DeleteBasically, it's a no win situation. But I applaud your beliefs, sir!
We are out here, don't give up. Many of us left corporatized medicine in disgust. Many have started Direct Primary Care practices. Takes .gov and insurance thieves out of the picture for an affordable fee. Those of us that choose this path expect the massive pay cut, but are happy to take all the middle men and bureaucrats away from inserting themselves between doctor and patient. Take a gander around you, you may find someone practicing in this fashion, and it might be a good answer...well...until it gets outlawed I guess.~ Dirtroaddoc
DeleteI took your advice - went to Medi-share Christian medical sharing, dropping bcbs insurance. Saving $1000 a month, not exaggerating.
DeleteMORE IMPORTANTLY - found Cornerstone Medicine here, a $50 a month doctor. Limits his total patients, gives you sit down chat service. Old school indeed. You get his cell phone number.
I love it.
chillhill
Hey, it's not like the peasants will ever totally quit breeding - fleece 'em for all they're worth, then let 'em die. They're always making more "customers".
Delete- The Bean Counters
While not exactly apples and apples, the same thing has happened to my veterinary profession. My generation saw it as a lifestyle, not a job, not a career choice, but a true lifestyle. In the clinic at all hours of the night, and mornings, missing family gatherings, living paycheck to paycheck. But that's all changed. With the advent of corporately owned clinics (which here in Georgia is more the norm, rather than the exception) that old school philosophy has died. New students want a 35 hour work week, no after hours work, 4 weeks vacation, an actual clothing stipend (yes you read that correctly, extra money to buy clothes, unfuckingbelievable) and I'll be damned if these corporate owners don't give the shit to them. That's why I'll die a solo practitioner. I can't compete with the corporate douche bags. But with the "better quality of life for the clinician" bullshit, also has come a change in public attitude. We used to be the number one, most revered profession in the United States. Not so much anymore. Ok, done venting.
DeleteI like to say this to people. What do they call the student that graduates at the bottom of his class in Medical School? ..................doctor.
ReplyDeleteMy brother is a doctor who went to med school back in the mid 1990's. He said the saying was "An A or a D, you are still a doctor."
DeleteBack when I was in medical school, the Dean of Students gave a lecture on class rank. What he said was that class rank was positively related to success as an academic research physician, but inversely related to success as a clinician. He said it had to do with the fact that the people high in class rank tended (somewhat correctly) to think they were smarter than everybody else, and did not develop support networks. So they did great, until they didn't, and they tended to know more and more about less and less -- the typical academic process. In contrast, the other students *knew* they didn't know everything and developed support networks to help them when they had problems. This ability to get help, and the associated people-skills involved, made them better clinical docs.
DeleteThe same thing is true of politicians and other leaders. Most of them are not at the top of their class (though of course many are). Most Presidents, even the best ones, tended to be C students -- because that meant they *knew* they had to rely on advice from others and were good at developing those support networks.
I remember the doctor from my youth back in the early 1950s. He was a WW-II combat physician. House calls $5 and he stayed yappin' with my mother over coffee. No bullshit drugs for him. The only time I cursed him was after I got in a fight and needed stiches in my head. It was a No-Novocain experience.
ReplyDeleteThink I had the same guy. Same time frame. Freakin needles were bent and you could see burrs on em. Of course house calls and if any medicine was dispensed it tasted like cow shit but he put something in it to make it even worse. I sure of this.
DeleteYeah, I’m living this right now. I have family in the ICU right now, no one can get in to see them, we can’t get any consistent information from the staff, all the covid excuses you can think of & that’s not what they went in for.
ReplyDeleteAnd all I can see in my head are nurses dancing on tik tok.
The doctors & nurses torched their own credibility so they could get their 15 minutes of fame. Just burn the fucking hospitals & finish the job they started. I’ll never trust any “medical professional” outside my family ever again.
Regarding Covid.....if a doctor tells you anything but what the criminals in charge dictate they risk their licensure. Would YOU risk a quarter million investment in education to contradict your licensing authority.
ReplyDeleteAt some point honorable moral people need to stand up for the truth, otherwise what are we then? I think Pastor Martin Niemöller said something apropo for these times.
DeleteYes. My honor and my conscious would not allow it. Guess yours would. Kevin
DeleteIt is lawyers as much if not more than the docs. Effing lawyers control everything now.
ReplyDeleteInsane malpractice insurance costs (I heard 500k a year in PA years ago) keep the docs as slaves to the bastards. What doc is going to tell you not to take the vax if you ask them? Ridiculous.
Extend that into the entire product line from cars to heads of lettuce, and to business management and HR people, scared out of their wits about getting sued because they didn't toe the line with the latest government forced line of Bullshit. Covid/masks/distancing/ - CO2, enough safety equipt in cars to save your stupid ass no matter what you do outside of drive off a 100 story building. Effing lawyers have fucked up this country beyond recognition.
In 1968, broken leg, 2 surgeries, 45 days in hospital, 120 shots morphine. Total cost $1,800.00 Seriously. Today's cost for that would be 7 figures, insanely beyond any inflation index anyone could imagine. Lawyers a big part of it along with the profiteering we know goes on across the medical/drug industry.
8 months ago, Ablation surgery for AFib. One bill from the hospital was for 140,000 bucks. That was just the bill for facilities and a day and a half stay in the hospital. That doesn't count the separate bills for the anesthesiologist, the radiologist and the surgeon.
DeleteThankfully I just got copies of the bills and didn't have to pay a cent because of the VA and Community Care insurance.
DeleteIn 1979 I was in the hospital for 7 days for a broken pelvis sustained in a car accident. Total bill was $778. My mom had Blue Cross and it paid every penny.
When I was a kid our local doctor had his own pharmacy in the back. My 2nd cousin was a registered pharmacist who worked there. Office visits were about $10. You didn't need to make an appointment. You just showed up. Better not at the beginning of the month when everyone got their social security checks.
There were jerk doctors and nurses back then, but the majority of the medical professionals were just plain nicer. Things were not that complicated either. I don't remember paying for the office visits with insurance or Rx drugs, you paid cash or check.
Amen and I loathe lawyers. Our system was built by attorneys for attorneys.
Delete@Mike, glad it worked out for you. Of course we have socialized medicine for a while now. We all pay for everyone. So be it I guess, butthere is some serious proifit being made.
Delete@Annie, Yes, that sure rings true. I'd sure hate to be a kid today.
@James. Agreed.
-Kid from Bob account.
As a person whose spouse is a member of the medical community (who has called BS on the pandemic from the beginning) I think the doctors are by and large stuck in the middle. They will lose their license for bucking the government. They will lose their privileges at the hospital for opening their mouths. You can make your own decision about what you would do in the circumstances but not following prescribed treatment protocols will get you sued if the patient dies and disciplined by the medical authorities and possibly held accountable by the criminal authorities.
ReplyDeleteHere is the thing everyone is missing: The Federal government funds all Medical research now. They fund all medical care now - either directly or indirectly. Anyone from collegiate research labs to hospitals to doctors themselves are dependent on the Federal government for their income. Period. This is what socialized medicine brings.... yes, Karen the U.S. has socialized medicine under a nice different name.
This is why a really bad flu season in 2020 has morphed into mass hysteria. The government wants it that way.
Well fuck your government hysteria and fuck the coward doctors.
DeleteI haven't had or trusted a "doctor" since my GP of twenty years retired due to Obunglecare. Still miss that guy...
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I *am* a doctor, so these are comments "from inside".
ReplyDelete1. Medical schools do IMO a terrible job of selecting students to admit. They judge by standardized scores (MCAT, and I did quite well on mine, so this is NOT the criticism of a failure, I just think standardized tests are over-emphasized), by college grades, and by whether you did some bullshit volunteer work (could be anything sounding vaguely medical). Med schools do NOT select for integrity nor moral character.
2. The training process (M3 and M4 years of school, then internship and residency) selects for Yes Men and if you aren't one, tries its damnedest to beat it into you. All too often it's "proof by intimidation". As in, "It's true because I'm your attending physician (boss) and I say so. Now shut up and do what I tell you."
3. Too many docs are just greedy people who don't really give a shit about anything other than money and prestige. This is most prevalent in foreign docs from India and Pakistan. Probably ones from China too, but I have met very few of those. Western Euros, goy-Americans, and Jewish docs tend to be more dedicated to patient care on average. (Now I know plenty of really good and dedicated Indian docs too, but we're talking population trends.)
On top of all that, add that if you speak against the COVID bullshit you may have your medical license revoked, and you will get fired. We've already established that the process doesn't select for moral character and acting on your conscience.
Finally, medical school doesn't really train you for independent thought, and most MDs don't (can't) think critically and evaluate evidence as good scientists do. Medicine is largely algorithmic and pattern recognition. Med school is largely regurgitation of memorized facts, some important, most useless bullshit ("rat facts"). So you should not be surprised that MDs have fallen for COVID propaganda. They mostly believe what they are told by authority. MDs are not particularly smarter than the average person. On average not stupid, sure, but not tremendously smarter.
TL;DR
Most MDs pushing the party line on COVID are not lying to you, and they are not doing what they do out of greed (except for the already greedy ones). They have genuinely bought into the propaganda because it's what they've been told by authority. Remember, MDs are officers, nurses are NCOs. And you've seen some dumb officers, right? Not stupid, but no sense on some stuff.
I am one of the few MDs in my hospital who have refused the Jab (and am at imminent risk of being fired over it). I'm openly anti-Jab (not against vaccines in general, just this stuff), but I don't see patients directly anymore (too much bureaucratic bullshit), so I've got away with it so far. But other docs mostly don't like my position.
That said, COVID is a real disease that is very dangerous to some. But the "vaccine" is not the answer, as it has already done immediate harm, and will likely do much more long-term harm. It's a bad idea. But your docs aren't pushing it on you out of greed. They're either "just following orders" or genuinely believe it's a good idea. Like I said, not necessarily good at critical thinking.
honestly, I'm amazed not a single doctor in the past 18 months has been whacked. Countless certainly deserve it.
ReplyDeleteWhat doth it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Why, the world, of course. The simple fact is, fucking over the peasantry and turning a profit on it is big reason for a lot of people to get up in the morning.
ReplyDelete@ Mike C.
ReplyDeleteHi Doc... I'm not a physician; biochemist and trained medic, but not a full-blown M.D. but my family has lots of doctors, nurses and other healthcare types in it.
My observation,for what it is worth, is that any doctor in practice today has come of age in a system in which physicians and by extension, anyone connected with the healthcare industry, were held up as paragons of moral and intellectual virtue. In other words, they were trained to think of themselves as being "the good guys," and the same of anyone else with M.D. or D.O. after their name, or their agencies.
Therefore, a sort of uncritical trust of institutions connected to medicine and the public health, i.e., the CDC, NIH, NIAID, WHO, FDA, etc. plus all the big pharma companies, too.
This is perhaps the most-tragic thing the whole covid event has done: It has inflicted extremely severe and possibly unrecoverable damage to the public trust once given unstintingly to physicians, nurses, and healthcare firms, as well as those government/international agencies connected with them.
It is most-unfair to those doctors and nurses and scientists who haven't wavered in doing what is right. They'll pay - they are already paying - for the sins and crimes of their unscrupulous brethren.
Covid didn't inflict that damage.
DeleteThe letter agencies and big pharma did it to themselves.
GREED is the reason.
They sold their soul so to speak.
My Doc and former friend of 30 years said in my last visit the vax is safe. I think he is a good Doc experience wise but if he gives me that same bullshit next time I'm out after a tongue lashing on him.
ReplyDeleteWell as a veterinarian that majored in immunology before vet school, your Doc and "former" friend is correct in the safe comment. Statistically, it is safe. Effective, that's a completely different topic of discussion. You can give the guy all the tongue lashings you want, but we that have been trained in the immunological sciences, particularly in vaccinology, recognize the vaccine is safer (safer than many that have been around forever). Just don't open Pandora's box on effectiveness.
DeleteSome Physicians are healers, most are well trained hucksters. Each specialty has a series of appointments that progress from a consult through progressive damage to the patient resulting in surgery. I have not trusted a doctor for anything since I experienced first hand medical hucksterism about 30 years ago. Obozo having turned most previously independent doctors into employees has forced them to toe the employers line. Only the independents remaining are bringing up the real scam that the whu flu really is. The latest propaganda from Fauci and company is that doing your own research is folly. While I do agree that my DuckDuckGo search does not equal the majority of Phd's training, I do have functioning eyes, ears and a brain and I can clearly see the agenda and intent of the government regarding whu flu. Sleepy has declared he will gladly kill old, sick, helpless people by withholding lifesaving medicine from states that oppose "science". Repercussions cannot begin soon enough.
ReplyDeleteMy last two doctors have been old school country type docs. The last one tried the statin route on me and I refused, especially after two specific medical tests that indicated I had no measurable risk indicators for atherosclerosis. My current doctor mentioned the vaccine during my most recent physical; I said no and elucidated several articulable objections based on more or less reliable medical information. He did not push it. In the case of the statins, I am confident that my decision was the correct decision.
ReplyDeleteI am on the FLCCC (sp?) prophylactic regimen. I am not a medical professional and would not recommend that course to anyone else; it would be the responsibility of each person to do the research, weigh the risks, and act accordingly. I am not grossly overweight, I have few (if any) of the comorbidities, and I am relatively isolated in my living arrangements. If queried, I don't proselytize. If asked by a good friend, I will spend some time explaining my rationale, but I never push.
Many medical decisions are risk mitigation. I did risk mitigation and problem resolution all of my professional life. Sometimes the problems were complicated enough that I was literally told that they were beyond resolution. I am on what I consider to be a prudent course of action and my wife has followed my lead because she trusts me. Damn, I have to hope and believe that I have it correct. It has worked thus far.
Good luck and godspeed to the contributors to this forum. I read this blog daily and peruse most of the comments. It is a great daily read and the dialog is informative and humorous as is appropriate. I had the good fortune to meet Ken, by happenstance, and I enjoy his company in person. Sorry if this sounds too sentimental, but age and seeing loved ones die gruesome and unnecessary deaths has softened me over the years.
It's been my pleasure to know you as well. I look for you any time I go to town. It's been a couple months now, hasn't it?
DeleteMy mom, had a dr, she's since passed away, that was the worse I've ever seen. He would walk into the exam room directly to the laptop on a desk and ask questions but never touch or exam her. 10 minutes, in and out setup your next appointment on the way out. I got into a heated discussion with him about his lack of personality and care for his patients and I could go to web MD and see the same thing he was looking at on his computer. To call that hack a dr is a giant pile of bullshit.
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Y'all should do a search for "barnhardt it's poison and it's permanent".
ReplyDeleteThe respiratory therapist in the vid now has to take pain pills, blood clotbusters and antibiotics after being fully vaccinated. R/T 2:50
My wife's cancer doctor, great guy. He's the reason she is still around. He is adamant about her not taking Chinese Cooties shot. He will not take either. He told us yesterday that the clinic where he practices at wants everyone to get vaccinated. He won't do it. He said he will give up his practice first.
ReplyDeleteYears ago, long before I retired and the 'Rona came along my primary care doc said to me, and I quote "We've got to keep you healthy so you can go on Medicare." I thought about it afterwards. Retirees are nothing but money generating organisms for the AMA to milk Medicare through the never ending tests they want to conduct or claim you HAVE to have. They've got to keep those receipts coming in....
ReplyDeleteI call it the continuous billing cycle. Then they refer you to a " specialist " that starts his bullshit. It's never ending unless you stop it yourself. Fucking hacks.
DeleteJD
When you retire, and turn 65, healthcare is your new job.
DeleteSustaining the system.
Not working in it.