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Might be worth your time and effort to accumulate a little gold yourself with the way things are going.
There are online dealers, but they generally charge a premium per coin or bar as well as a State tax for your entire purchase, driving the price over a hundred bucks or more above spot which at the time of this writing is $1785 per troy ounce - a troy ounce being 31.1034 grams. For instance, one reputable online seller charges a premium of anywhere between 60 and 90 bucks per piece, then there's taxes, and let's not forget shipping, handling and insurance - I don't know what that'll run you because I never could get past the premiums.
Check around and find yourself a hobbyist coin dealer and buy from them - it'll be strictly a cash transaction, but it'll keep the government out of your back pocket. I've seen coin and gold dealers at every gun show I've been to. Coin shops, I know nothing about - they may not charge you a premium, but I can just about bet they'll charge you a sales tax.
Buy 1/10 ounce coins. Not only is it a little less painful buying those one or two at a time rather than shelling out a couple thousand bucks for a one ounce coin, but if the economy does collapse and you're using it as currency, it'll be a whole lot easier getting change for a $235 coin than it is for a $2000 coin. Yes, smaller denominations are more expensive to buy than larger ones, but gold buyers are also more receptive in buying back smaller coins than larger ones. You can figure on getting eight 1/10 ounce coins for the same price of a 1 ounce coin, but when it comes time to sell, you can sell those eight coins back to your seller for the same price as a 1 ounce coin.
Stick with established and well recognized coins - Gold Eagles, Britannia, Maple Leafs, Krugerrands, shit like that. Minted coins are always a little more valuable than bullion gold of the same weight. Commemorative coins may look cool, but your Donald Trump coin is also going to come under a hell of a lot more scrutiny when it comes time to sell.
If you prefer bullion instead, there's cute little 1, 2.5, 5 and 10 gram bars as far as smaller sizes go. Just make sure they are certified and sealed in the packaging they come in - they don't have the fine detailing that minted coins do, and a lot of dealers won't buy them back unless they sold them to you to begin with and you have a very trusting relationship with them.
Now, after all that, don't take my word for shit. While I've dealt quite a bit with gold buyers back in my placer mining days, that was all raw gold and that's a whole 'nother ball game.
If you have any questions, find a gold or coin buyer/seller and talk to them. I've never met one that wasn't a straight shooter - they have to be, in that business their reputation is everything.
Does this equate to Joe's statement where $3.5 trillion is worth ZERO?
ReplyDeleteBuy ammo....That $0.499 round of 556....will be worth more tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteEd357
Only problem with buying ammo is that I enjoy shooting my investment and if it get's hard to find, I'll trade the gold before I do the ammo - you can't defend yourself and loved ones with a gold coin.
DeleteMy supply rules....
Delete1 is none....
1000 rounds per handgun/rifle/shotgun.
Ed357
Oh, at a bare minimum!
DeleteAlso, don’t overlook silver coins, particularly if you are looking to buy inexpensive items. Even 1/10th gold coins are hard to make change for.
ReplyDeleteYou must store them at home, in a zombie apocalypse your safety deposit box will be unavailable if the bank is closed. Put your safe somewhere very inconspicuous, never in the bedroom closet.
If you live in a jurisdiction that allows gun ownership, make sure you have one. Otherwise you are collecting precious metals for the guy who will take them by force.
Now is not the time to be buying silver. It's up right now and from what I've heard, it's artificially inflated. I'd let it settle back down first.
Deleteactually Ag (silver) is cheap right now ($23.12), just remember during the Iranian Hostage crisis (yes some of us are that old) that silver was $50 per ounce and just Aug 2011 it was $43.49.
DeletePremiums are usually because of and due to supply and demand...if no one is selling the coins back to the dealers, and dealers inventory is low..guess what...coins become priced like 5.56 was last year...or just ask the plumber or electrician how much their pipe supplies have gone up in the last year.
Silver has a better potential for a large upside, according to Franklin Sanders (https://the-moneychanger.com/) and he and his sons, are very trustworthy straight up guys.
Philip
Philip, my thing with silver is that it has some wild swings. I knew some people that invested their entire life savings in silver back in 1977 (?) when it was 50 bucks an ounce and then lost everything when it plummeted back down to 8 bucks.
DeleteAs the late great Kenny Rogers said"gotta know when to hold 'em..." And yes, metals are suspected to be manipulated,but if we read Franklin Sanders' views, and $50 in 1977 is like several hundred today..even the Au (AuH2o..all the way) has swung from low$ 1,050 in Nov 2015 to high $2,063 Dec 2019.
DeleteHeck I had a friend suggust I buy Bitcoin in 2009, at $6...duh.
https://www.jmbullion.com/
ReplyDeleteThat site charges a premium and sales tax as well.
DeleteThey put a premium on top of a premium. Shop around.
DeleteYou'll find that buying fractional gold coins comes with a hefty premium no matter where you purchase them. Same goes for silver. Bullion from reputable refineries is just as good as coins, just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteSure, I said that when I said eight 1/10th ounce coins will run you about what a ounce coin will. But the nice thing is, you can charge that back to a buyer if you decide to sell.
DeleteChecking around real quick, it does appear you get more bang for your buck buying small bullion pieces rather than coin.
I asked a friend who works at a car dealership if they would sell a nice new F-150 for a stack of gold coins. His answer was, "Sure, we'll make a deal. We have a gold dealer who will quote a fixed a price for the coins."
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Pay the premium if you want the gold. I am buying silver because it is cheap based on the silver gold ratio. For larger purchases check out Volunteer precious metals
ReplyDeleteA minimum of $2,000... I don't have 2,000 bucks lying around.
DeleteSales Tax has nothing to do with the dealer but it does vary by the state you are in. Some states are tax free on Bullion coin sales. All Fiat currencies fail eventually, either slowly like the Dollar or thru hyperinflation like the Bollavar. However, there are just too many risks to putting much money into precious metals besides, if all hell breaks loose the government will confiscate gold in your safe deposit box at the bank just like 1934. If you use a Private vault storage company good luck if they go bankrupt. In a recent case when the Feds raided a private secure storage company alleging people were hiding illegal profits from illegal activities they took the innocent people's cash gold and silver too. Then there is counterfeit product from China to worry about and dealers who will pay your ignorant heirs way less than the mental is worth when you are dead and cannot stop them from being taken advantage of. Then there is market manipulation too, just like in the stock market. Guns and cash get confiscated by the government too. Real estate makes sense only if it is making a return in the form of rent, most property never appreciates more than inflation plus the annual property tax bill though that is dependent upon your local taxes on property. Sadly there is no way to store wealth without sound money policy. The stated goal of the Fed is 2% inflation. Why Americans tolerate this is because they were trained to think theft is normal. The USA will follow the same path as Venezuela.
ReplyDeleteWas told by JM Bullion that their purchases of US gold Eagles are only reported to Feds if over $10K, but that all their purchases of foreign or ingot bullion are 1099ed.
ReplyDeleteJohn in Indy
Just playing around on a similar site, I added a coin to my cart and went to checkout only to find they added a Tennessee sales tax to the purchase.
DeleteSales tax for internet purchases is a thing, I have silver, mostly bought when it was sub 15$ an ounce. I also have some junk pre 65 US coinage, but for regular silver I buy British or Canadian due to the lower premiums,US mint automatically add about a 30% spot premium for a coin with a face value of 1$, Canadian has a face value of 5$ Canadian, and the British sovereign is 3pounds. This means your US minted 1oz coin is the same weight, but automatically worth less and cost more.
ReplyDeleteIf you can't stand over it, it ain't yours, legal pretax IRA plans do not allow you to have physical possession, and paper silver is flooding the market, but valueless as it isn't backed directly by the metal.
If you can't touch it it, you don't have it.
Yor mileage may vary, and this is just my opinions.
Don't forget "junk" silver coinage. Don't have details at my finger tips, but 1960's nickels, dimes, etc. Handy as low denomination trading, er, "money", if the SHTF. "Silver, the currency of gentlemen", as the saying goes.
ReplyDeleteHave had good experiences with Apmex.
ReplyDelete90% Silver is a good choice: https://www.apmex.com/category/25830/90-silver-coins-rolls-bags-all
1/10 ounce gold here: https://www.apmex.com/product/4/1-10-oz-american-gold-eagle-coin-bu-random-year
Shipping is free over $200, I don't think they charged sales tax
Holy shit, that's an expensive site! I didn't check silver but the gold link you provided shows them at about 35 bucks per coin more expensive than any other site I've checked. They normally go for about $235, but this site's charging $276 if you pay by credit or debit card and only 10 bucks less if you pay by check or wire transfer.
DeleteI've always preferred silver. If one is concerned about hyperinflation is the market price of silver really a concern?
ReplyDeleteAll this talk of buying gold.... How about the option of going out there and finding it. Grab a pan and a scraper and get to work! Much cheaper and no tax.
ReplyDeleteI did that for over 10 years all over the Mother Lode in California, but I was a hell of a lot more serious than most folks ever thought about being - I filed claims and I used dredges and sluices, and moved a hell of a lot of dirt and gravel. I averaged about 10 bucks an hour when the price of gold was running about $325 an ounce, and that was just actual work time, not all the hours of research I put in looking for places that might be worth working.
DeleteIt's not as easy and profitable as most folks think, especially panning. Seriously, it's back breaking labor if you want to make any money at all doing it.
It's been a few years since I purchased silver. This site, https://www.learcapital.com/, would allow one to purchase one coin and the add on costs, shipping, handling and insurance, weren't outrageous.
ReplyDeleteScrew gold. Start looking at crypto.
ReplyDeleteYea, that's going to do you a lot of good when the economy crashes and the shit hits the fan WHICH WAS WHAT THE ENTIRE POST WAS ABOUT.
DeleteCrypto is all about bypassing banks. It's decentralized money. Why do you think China and authoritarians hate it so much? If I want to buy something with crypto it goes through millions of computers worldwide and nobody can stop it or put a hold on it.
DeleteNow, in the case of complete shtf I prefer to invest in lead. When you need to barter, a box of shells will be a lot more useful than gold.
Yea, like I'm going to cut loose of any ammo if shit gets that bad.
DeleteSorry, I like real money, something I can hold, not something generated in a computer.
Crypto is a fool's errand if there is a possibility that phone or electrical service will be interrupted at all. Think of any natural disaster. What is the first thing that goes offline? Phone and power. You may have access to power due to good planning. You may even have access to phone via satellite, again due to good planning. Will the guy you are trying to buy 10 gallons of gas or a bag of flour from have the same? Can he be certain that will continue when he needs to buy a shovel from his neighbor? How many people even now don't have the ability to trade in crypto? (Hint-more than half of the USA, not to mention the rest of the world). If you can't set your hand on it, you don't own it.
DeleteThank you, Mr Douglas. That was the point I was trying to make.
DeleteMy dad was one of those who bought silver in the late 70s. 40 years later it still isn't worth anything.
ReplyDeleteSilver hit a high of about 50 bucks an ounce back in what, 1977? and then the bottom dropped out and it went down to about 5 bucks an ounce. A lot of people lost their asses in that mess.
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