Self-defense myth: You should drag the body inside.
Self-defense myth: you should use wasp spray.
Self-defense myth: you should say, "I was in fear for my life" after a defensive incident.
VIDEO HERE (5:22 minutes)
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While all three are valid points, I wholeheartedly agree with #3 in particular, although not for the reasons that Mr Hayes and the lovely Miss Emily give.
The ONLY thing you should say to a cop in the event of a self defense shooting is "Officer, I wish to exercise my Right to remain silent until I speak with an attorney," then shut the fuck up. Do not say a single word after that. Yes, it will piss the cops off because they can't wrap up their investigation before the donut shop closes but that's better than spending years in the joint because you just had to run your mouth in the hopes of not being inconvenienced by a trip to jail for a few hours.
Exercising your 5th Amendment Rights protects you in two ways. Number One, your attorney will advise you on what to say and how to say it to keep you from saying something stupid or something that can be misconstrued, and Number Two, there will be only one statement instead of 14 different cops giving 14 different versions in a court of law on what they thought they heard you say.
"I intend to fully cooperate, however, I need to speak to my attorney before I make any statements". Then STFU and get your attorney going!
ReplyDeleteStfu. Nothing will work better.
ReplyDeleteI have heard be the first to dial 911 if you have to defend yourself. The maybe the cops won’t shoot you out of hand when they arrive.
And don't talk to the media. We had a case of a couple of guys trying to rob a storage unit. The man renting the unit found out somehow and confronted the accused thieves. He ended up shooting and killing one of them. He was arrested and sat in jail a couple days then the DA said he didn't have enough evidence and they let him loose.
ReplyDeleteThe story he told was that the guy he shot was driving a truck at him and he feared for his life. But the dumbass went and talked to the local TV station. The story he told the reporter was different than the one he told the cops. Which got the cops to looking a little deeper into things. So now the guy is sitting in the state pen up at Eddyville.
The entire situation was sketchy from the start. The dead guy and the unit owner knew each other, didn't know each other , had been involved in some business legal or otherwise together. Probably only 3 people know what really happened, one of them is dead and the other two are in prison.
Yeah, don't be all cool and collected either. Body cams rolling -
ReplyDeleteI had a whole post going and nah... just remember the jury will see the video. Anything you do or say - they will see.
Also, cops - if they have a hard-on for you, will check your social media posts.
Like this blog, anonymous my ass. Google has all this shit (posts) associated to us/our phone/computer.
To be truly anon takes effort and consideration.
- Only shoot a POS that earns it. -
chillhill
Unless you don't have a Google account.
DeleteAnon, you really think not having a google account keeps them from tracing you? I guarantee you they have your IP number and anything else they need to identify you.
DeleteHell, when I was blogging on this platform before I got my own domain, when you commented they gave all, anonymous or not, commenter IPs to me. They couldn't do that if they didn't have it.
100% correct. EVERYTHING we type even thru vpn, is attributable.
DeleteYou can be anonymous but only at great expense and with forethought (burner phone hotspot, isolated computer, even have to watch syntax and repeated use of identifying words/phrases) - not anything the average internet user is doing.
chillhill
That an intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .44 Magnum will get angry over your retaliation and kill you.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/politics-guncontrol.html
Remember. ALWAYS. Any and all law enforcement officers can legally lie, deceive and mislead you. And they will do. There is absolutely nothing you can say that Officer Friendly has not heard before, so don't deceive yourself in thinking you can talk your way out of situation. Any thing you say to a LEO can and will be used against you. The game is rigged.
ReplyDeleteMas Ayoob has a different take on talking to the police here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJ4wLP_0UM&t=2s
ReplyDeleteAyoob's point - In the immediate aftermath, it is important to direct officers to any evidence (weapons, shell casings, etc.) and witnesses, before either disappear - and then shut up.
DeleteTrouble is: how many of us can say "my attorney"? I could never afford one of those guys. Even afford to have them know me. In some ways, you rich people are so fortunate.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of those situations where you go into debt if you have to. No two ways about it.
DeleteYep. That is often one bill that is more often than not, totally worth it.
DeleteAnd I hate lawyers.
My wallet has cards in this order: Drivers license, CCP from my county sheriff, USCCA contact card, and the lawyer who did our will. Our local lawyer is not on retainer, but as there's only a couple of practicing lawyers in our small, very isolated town, it would at least be contact information. As for USCCA, they're not the only game in the business, but their rates are less than a trip to the range. It's insurance I choose to carry.
DeleteDoesn't matter if you have one at the moment or not. Those magic words stop police interrogation. Meet with a PD until you can wrangle up the cash for a good lawyer.
DeleteAlways have good CCW insurance that has on call GUN attorneys. $500 a year is worth it if you carry.
Deletewasp spray will result in permanent blindness.
ReplyDeleteBut a .44 between the eyes will only leave them vision impaired.
DeleteI knew a nurse who would sometimes have to go to a bad area for her work. She kept a can of oven cleaner in a bag with a few other items. She said if she ever had to use it she would tell them it was all she had. She purchased the can enroute each time and had a friend return it later. That way she had an excuse.
Bullshit will wasp spray result in permanent blindness. Have you ever used that stuff!?
DeleteIt ALWAYS blows back into your eyes. ALWAYS. You're usually spraying it straight up! It's barely mildly annoying when it happens.
If you're carrying a canister of something, carry pepper spray if you can't carry a gun.
Bullshit your bullshit.
DeleteThe main issue with wasp spray and eyes is not the chemicals involved but the force with which they are expelled from the can. If that can of wasp spray can knock a hole in a yellowjacket nest, it can most certainly damage the eyes through physical abrasion.
THEN comes the secondary effects of the neurotoxins you have just blasted onto amd through Sumdood's retinas.
Yes, neurotoxin, and yes, it does affect humans too. Even skin absorbpion can cause nerve damage. Had a dumbass friend in college try to light it on fire on his hand for a party trick. He lost sensation in that uamd for two years.
Now dump that crap inside the eyes. Where it can't be immediately flushed out or washed off.
Bullshit it can't blind someone.
Neurotoxins. Therein is the key.
DeleteI'm a subscriber to Law Shield. They had a lawyer come and give us the spiel at my LTC course, and during said salesmanship, he said a few things like "don't make my job harder" (avoid dumb stickers and gun accessories) and "don't talk to the cops." He even went so far as to say that in the event, you should make a basic report to 911, HANG UP, then call the number on the card give to members. Then when cops show up, tell them you're waiting for your lawyer, who should be comin' directly. He even told us that if PD didn't relent, tell them you weren't feeling well (you won't be) and want to be checked out by EMS.
ReplyDeleteDon't talk to the police, from a law professor.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
Is providing medical aid after the fact "tampering with evidence"?
ReplyDeleteNever forget that the attorney defending you is, in most cases, a member of the Court in the state where you hired him/her to defend you. Also remember that ALL of these attorney's, defense and prosecutors, know each other professionally and other wise and they ALL talk to each other.
ReplyDeleteNemo
99% of the American public would be astounded to see the opposing counsel walk out the door of the courtroom during and after trial chatting amiably.
DeleteI use US Lawshield. $29.00 per month. There are others out there as well. Basically a monthly retainer for legal representation.
ReplyDeleteI paid that for a decent shovel.
DeleteAw hell, just shoot everybody that intends on taking you to jail. They'll either quit sending bodies or put the hurt on ya in which case, you'll have
ReplyDeletemade em earn it. Go out with a bang. Beats assisted living, dontcha think?
Ohio Guy
LOL I have to admit, OG, that there is merit in what you say.
DeleteMy brother used to work with an ex-cop and one thing he was told was "You want to make sure you drag the body outside, by the street. You really don't want it on your property." It's never come up but it always stuck with me.
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