New vehicles must average 40 mpg by 2026, up from 28 mpg
New vehicles sold in the U.S. will have to average at least 40 miles per gallon of gasoline in 2026, up from about 28 mpg, under new federal rules unveiled Friday that undo a rollback of standards enacted under President Donald Trump.
I never pretended to be an engineer of any type, but even I know that you can set your goals as high as you want, but just because you set them there, it doesn't mean that you have a chance of hitting them. My foundry went to the Toyota manufacturing method of continuous improvement, often called the 5 S plan. Every month, we had a meeting, where the company VP told us how we did on meeting our goals from the previous month. Of course, we never were able to meet their goals. Then he set the goals for the next month. The goals were all higher. He told us that if this machine had not broken down for 6 hours that one day, we would have been able to hit the target for that one goal, and if the raw materials for a certain alloy for one furnace, we would have hit the goal for that month as well. So were were setting the goals higher for the next month. Of course, we knew that it was all BS, and that there were half a dozen things that happened over the month that caused things that slowed us down, like management ordering the wrong size sanding belts for one machine, and we had to wait until the next day for the right size ones, so we had to bypass that machine, and use a less effective one for a day. Things like that happened every month, at least a couple of times, not to mention when visitors from important customers were coming, all production stopped, and everyone had to grab a broom and clean up the entire area. Imagine a steel facility, that also processes finished ingots 5 feet long, 4 inches around, and polished to a shine, with grinding belt, which threw metal dust everywhere. So we lost several hours cleaning at least once a week, often more than that.
I worked for a major airline when they tried giving companywide bonuses based on very high level goals, like on time performance. So everyone could kick ass and there'd be snow in Chicago in winter and we wouldn't get the bonus.
I don't have to pretend, @pigpen51 -- I am an engineer and your analysis is right on target. We did the same thing at the NASA center I worked at during the 90s, adopting the TQM (Total Quality Management) approach to productivity and quality. After several years of failing to reach lofty goals, the whole process just kind of melted into the background and ceased to be a factor. The one advantage of TQM was that it was based on everything having to be measurable -- both the shortcomings and the supposed improvements. If you couldn't quantify it, your assertions were garbage. This is the whole problem with aspirations for ludicrous mileage improvements -- not based on actual data. Instead, all these lofty goals are based on little more than unicorn farts and political dreams. Never mind that the engineers know the goals are unachievable...everyone must work to these fictional goals as though there was some physical basis to them.
Engineer too and I agree wholeheartedly. I'd see goals posted that anyone with three brain cells that talked with each other would know were impossible. But they were posted anyway, and when they didn't get hit, we'd get yelled at.
As previously stated, leftists fall into two groups. One group are abject morons who actually believes that getting a law passed requiring something they want actually makes such a thing possible. And the second group who knows this but don't care. The laws their idiot compatriots get passed helps serve their agenda. In this case the goal is the complete end of privately owned transportation. Make cars too expensive, too technically impractical and they cease being built. Eventually nobody who isn't filthy rich or politically connected has a vehicle. They want all of us totally dependent on public transport. Makes everyone a slave to them.
l keep trying to tell people, this is all to drive society back to "Dickens era" standards of living, where you could tell who was wealthy, they drove in carriages, they were not forced to share their homes with people they don't even know, just to afford to rent a room. How does anyone (other than someone wearing the same suit) know my suit cost $10,000, high school kids can hire stretch limo's, any idiot can buy a McMansion. The main single way l can flaunt my wealth at you? force YOU to walk while l drive... simples. (picture "congestion taxes", used ONLY to force the poor off the road)
You will have to buy a pickup truck. Truck standards are not the same as car standards, which is why we have SUV's and minivans instead of station wagons. Maybe there will be another class of vehicle by 2029, too, neither a passenger car nor a truck.
I still cannot find in the Constitution where it says they are allowed to make arbitrary rules the citizens have to follow, without Congressional approval. I also cannot find where it says that Congress or the President can delegate their authority. After the rest of the third world moves here, can I go to their country with all my conservative, liberty loving friends and set up a new free country?
The only way you get there is 1) strip most of the emission controls that cleaned up the air, 2) strip most of the safety features, and 3) anemic engines, that aren't even safe to get on a highway.
My 2001 VW Jetta TDi gave 40 mied and 51 all highway The 2015 Passat TDi gives 33 in town, 37 mixed and 41 all highway, and is a much heavier car than the first one. Of course, the government fined the shit out of VW so you can't get clean diesels any longer in the U.S. market from them. BTW, the diesel is far more efficient and less polluting than a gasoline or ethanol car. All the scares about particulates are just that, scares to no useful purpose.
"diesel is far more efficient and less polluting than a gasoline or ethanol car"
I guess you missed the part where VW was convicted for altering their emissions control software during state emissions testing on their products and had to recall all of their products to fix the software AND make changes that both increased their emissions profile and made them less fuel efficient.
There's thousands of articles out there on this. Here's one or Google "VW convicted of altering emissions software."
I had a different take on the increase to 40 miles per gallon. I thought it meant that all electric cars will need to travel 40 miles for every gallon of gas used to generate the electricity...but then eveyone knows that is impossible too. You would be lucky to go 5 miles on a electric car charged by a gasoline generation system.
About 20 years ago I had a little Neighborhood Electric Vehicle. Basically a glorified golf cart that was street legal. A subsidiary of Chrysler was damn near giving them away because for every 10 or so of these NEVs they "sold" they could sell the high priced low MPG Viper and still maintain their corporate average fuel economy ratings.
Auto Manufactures will just take the Russian Approach to Performance Enhancing Substances & find ways to trick the Feds that my 4WD lifted Tahoe is getting 40mpg.
That's not gonna happen.
ReplyDeleteI can see $15 dollar a gallon though.
And pigs will fly.
ReplyDeleteKeep fixing your old cars. The used car market will be through the roof and the auto industry will suffer.
ReplyDeleteMy vehicle exceeds 40 mpg as long as I'm going downhill in neutral.
ReplyDeleteMy car gets 40 rods to the hogshead.
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I never pretended to be an engineer of any type, but even I know that you can set your goals as high as you want, but just because you set them there, it doesn't mean that you have a chance of hitting them.
ReplyDeleteMy foundry went to the Toyota manufacturing method of continuous improvement, often called the 5 S plan. Every month, we had a meeting, where the company VP told us how we did on meeting our goals from the previous month. Of course, we never were able to meet their goals.
Then he set the goals for the next month. The goals were all higher. He told us that if this machine had not broken down for 6 hours that one day, we would have been able to hit the target for that one goal, and if the raw materials for a certain alloy for one furnace, we would have hit the goal for that month as well. So were were setting the goals higher for the next month. Of course, we knew that it was all BS, and that there were half a dozen things that happened over the month that caused things that slowed us down, like management ordering the wrong size sanding belts for one machine, and we had to wait until the next day for the right size ones, so we had to bypass that machine, and use a less effective one for a day.
Things like that happened every month, at least a couple of times, not to mention when visitors from important customers were coming, all production stopped, and everyone had to grab a broom and clean up the entire area. Imagine a steel facility, that also processes finished ingots 5 feet long, 4 inches around, and polished to a shine, with grinding belt, which threw metal dust everywhere. So we lost several hours cleaning at least once a week, often more than that.
I worked for a major airline when they tried giving companywide bonuses based on very high level goals, like on time performance. So everyone could kick ass and there'd be snow in Chicago in winter and we wouldn't get the bonus.
DeleteI don't have to pretend, @pigpen51 -- I am an engineer and your analysis is right on target. We did the same thing at the NASA center I worked at during the 90s, adopting the TQM (Total Quality Management) approach to productivity and quality. After several years of failing to reach lofty goals, the whole process just kind of melted into the background and ceased to be a factor. The one advantage of TQM was that it was based on everything having to be measurable -- both the shortcomings and the supposed improvements. If you couldn't quantify it, your assertions were garbage. This is the whole problem with aspirations for ludicrous mileage improvements -- not based on actual data. Instead, all these lofty goals are based on little more than unicorn farts and political dreams. Never mind that the engineers know the goals are unachievable...everyone must work to these fictional goals as though there was some physical basis to them.
DeleteEngineer too and I agree wholeheartedly. I'd see goals posted that anyone with three brain cells that talked with each other would know were impossible. But they were posted anyway, and when they didn't get hit, we'd get yelled at.
Delete5S. If I never hear that damn term again...
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ReplyDeleteAs previously stated, leftists fall into two groups. One group are abject morons who actually believes that getting a law passed requiring something they want actually makes such a thing possible. And the second group who knows this but don't care. The laws their idiot compatriots get passed helps serve their agenda. In this case the goal is the complete end of privately owned transportation. Make cars too expensive, too technically impractical and they cease being built. Eventually nobody who isn't filthy rich or politically connected has a vehicle. They want all of us totally dependent on public transport. Makes everyone a slave to them.
ReplyDeletel keep trying to tell people, this is all to drive society back to "Dickens era" standards of living, where you could tell who was wealthy, they drove in carriages, they were not forced to share their homes with people they don't even know, just to afford to rent a room.
DeleteHow does anyone (other than someone wearing the same suit) know my suit cost $10,000, high school kids can hire stretch limo's, any idiot can buy a McMansion. The main single way l can flaunt my wealth at you? force YOU to walk while l drive... simples.
(picture "congestion taxes", used ONLY to force the poor off the road)
You will have to buy a pickup truck. Truck standards are not the same as car standards, which is why we have SUV's and minivans instead of station wagons. Maybe there will be another class of vehicle by 2029, too, neither a passenger car nor a truck.
ReplyDeleteGeek
I still cannot find in the Constitution where it says they are allowed to make arbitrary rules the citizens have to follow, without Congressional approval. I also cannot find where it says that Congress or the President can delegate their authority. After the rest of the third world moves here, can I go to their country with all my conservative, liberty loving friends and set up a new free country?
ReplyDeleteTo them the Constitution is an outdated document written by white racists.
DeleteThis kind of buffoonery is why car companies lied.
ReplyDeleteAnd will continue to lie, only they'll do better lies.
How many miles does the government require per kilowatt? You know that's a coming don't you?
ReplyDeleteDaryl
40 MGP!?!??! OK, serious question.....how much MPG could we get if all of the smog pollution crap was taken off the engines we have now?
ReplyDeleteLike this? =)
Deletehttps://www.legendarycollectorcars.com/featured-vehicles/other-feature-cars/smokey-yunicks-hot-vapor-fiero-51-mpg-and-0-60-in-less-than-6-seconds-see-and-hear-it-run-in-our-exclusive-video/
The only way you get there is 1) strip most of the emission controls that cleaned up the air, 2) strip most of the safety features, and 3) anemic engines, that aren't even safe to get on a highway.
ReplyDeleteThey'll keep raising the mpg standards until they force you into an electric car. Shameful.
ReplyDeleteor the toxic masculine males snap and start cleaning house. tosave their families.
DeleteMy 2001 VW Jetta TDi gave 40 mied and 51 all highway
ReplyDeleteThe 2015 Passat TDi gives 33 in town, 37 mixed and 41 all highway, and is a much heavier car than the first one. Of course, the government fined the shit out of VW so you can't get clean diesels any longer in the U.S. market from them. BTW, the diesel is far more efficient and less polluting than a gasoline or ethanol car. All the scares about particulates are just that, scares to no useful purpose.
"diesel is far more efficient and less polluting than a gasoline or ethanol car"
DeleteI guess you missed the part where VW was convicted for altering their emissions control software during state emissions testing on their products and had to recall all of their products to fix the software AND make changes that both increased their emissions profile and made them less fuel efficient.
There's thousands of articles out there on this. Here's one or Google "VW convicted of altering emissions software."
https://petri.com/volkswagen-used-software-to-cheat-on-emissions/
Nemo
I had a different take on the increase to 40 miles per gallon. I thought it meant that all electric cars will need to travel 40 miles for every gallon of gas used to generate the electricity...but then eveyone knows that is impossible too. You would be lucky to go 5 miles on a electric car charged by a gasoline generation system.
ReplyDeleteAbout 20 years ago I had a little Neighborhood Electric Vehicle. Basically a glorified golf cart that was street legal. A subsidiary of Chrysler was damn near giving them away because for every 10 or so of these NEVs they "sold" they could sell the high priced low MPG Viper and still maintain their corporate average fuel economy ratings.
ReplyDeleteI haven't bought a new vehicle in 20 years so....and by the time I'll need one I'm going to be too old to drive anyway.
ReplyDeleteFucking dumbasses
JD
That makes no sense
ReplyDeleteForce EVs on the public at the same time the feds are allowing the destruction of electric generation facilities, prohibiting construction of new.
ReplyDeleteAuto Manufactures will just take the Russian Approach to Performance Enhancing Substances & find ways to trick the Feds that my 4WD lifted Tahoe is getting 40mpg.
ReplyDelete