The answer: Five clicks.
The AR-15-style weapon, made by Georgia-based Daniel Defense, sells online for $1,870, plus tax. Shipping to a local gun shop is free.
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This article is a crock of shit. The author lists the steps, the very same steps it takes to order anything else, to order an AR from the internet. He even acknowledges that, but he does mention that while DD doesn't mention a word about having to pass a background check, the gun shop he chose to have it delivered to does state that he'd have to fill out a Form 4473 and pass the background check.
He does say that ordering a gun doesn't feel much different than ordering anything else off the internet.
Okay, but for me to order a drive belt for my lawn mower I don't have to ship it to a licensed Cub Cadet dealer, nor do I have to pay for a background check that I may or may not pass depending on how fucked up or busy NICS is that day, nor do I have to pay a transfer fee for that belt. I also wouldn't have to wait for 10 days to pick it up like you do for guns in some States.
So it's just not that easy, is it?
FWIW- a liberal acquaintance of my sent me the article and even she was disgusted by the author glossing over the background check part and the propaganda nature of the article....
ReplyDeleteYou would pass a background check? Seriously
ReplyDeleteBeen passing them since 1981. Why does this surprise you? I've got no felony convictions or domestic violence arrests, and I'm not a habitual (or casual, for that matter) user of drugs or alcohol.
DeleteSeriously.
Reality is irrelevant to them.
ReplyDeleteThey create a Optical Illusion
I'd like to know where the bastard got 4 grand, to buy the two rifles and 1400 rounds of ammo...Did't he drop outta school and sling burgers at some fast food joint? Maybe he robber his grandma before shooting her in the face, nah, that timing sequence is outta whack, as well...
ReplyDeleteThere are these things called credit cards. Are yall really this slow? All the time?
DeleteAnon, how many 18 year old kids with a part time job do you know that have a credit card with that kind of limit on it?
DeleteApparently anonymous above is a bit slower than those he or she accuses of being slow.
DeleteKinda funny, don't ya think?
Odie
And he had only just turned 18. Never mind that they don't give several thousand dollars to them.
DeleteSo he worked at Wendy's. He lived with grandparents, so maybe no rent. Eat for free at work place, and fast food joints are, for the most part, still seriously understaffed. Any teenager with a serious goal, whether it's a car, or a gun, is willing to work long hours, scrimp and save. I would say he could have saved up 4k in less than 6 months, depending on how many hours a week he would work.
DeleteYeah, while he does say it can't be showed to his house and that he has to complete the 4473 and then PASS the NICS check, he doesn't say actually when he can take possession. He also doesn't say what happens if he was DENIED by NICS, nor how much he would be or of pocket for the restocking, shipping, and any re-transfer fee his FFL might require. He also doesn't say that while the process is easy, he can't even TOUCH the rifle, let alone posses it until after ALL the hoops are jumped through. He's being completely disingenuous by pointing the reader to a foregone conclusion that he doesn't assert: once you buy it on line, it's yours to do with what you will.
ReplyDeleteAnd the fact that the Uvalde murderer had all sorts of flags that weren't acted upon NEVER gets brought up.
This kind of crap REALLY pisses me off!
What state are you in? Anytime I have bought a firearm either from dealer stock or a transfer from an online dealer, I always hold, inspect, and generally handle the firearm before the paperwork is even started. All the online dealers I have ever bought from always say to inspect the firearm before you take ownership and to reject it if it is defective or damaged.
DeleteWith Respect I say again
DeleteReality is irrelevant.
They create a Optical Illusion
The left and their braying donkeys keep trying to make something true that hasn't been true since 1968. Prior to 1968 anyone with the money could order a firearm from Sears, Montgomery Ward etc and it would arrive at their home via postal service. Even the Colt AR-15 which was manufactured prior to 1968 could be ordered and shipped directly to a place or residence. That all changed in that year and is the same even in the days of the Internet. All the net has done is allow the consumer to search for and have sent a firearm to a dealer for transfer. As with anything the left says, "A person can buy a firearm off the internet easily and without background check" is a flat out lie. If a person does buys one off the internet and is sent to a dealer and they fail the NICS they do not get the firearm just like they wouldn't get one off the shelf at the same dealer. Dimocrats are stupid shits. I wish we could go back to pre 68 purchases.
ReplyDeleteAll I got from the article is some libtard is now a proud gun owner?
ReplyDeleteI hear they want to raise the age for buying a gun to 21. Does that mean our 18,19 and 20 year old soldiers will be carrying sling shots?
ReplyDelete@ Bright Eyes - Re: "I hear they want to raise the age for buying a gun to 21. Does that mean our 18,19 and 20 year old soldiers will be carrying sling shots?"
DeleteNo, of course not. Soldiers are working for the state (government) and therefore their possession of arms is A-OK to the left, since it is all about government power for them. Being the good little Maoists most of them are, they can quote Chairman Mao verbatim about political power growing from the barrel of a gun, and that only the party - and never its opponents - should be permitted to be armed.
They lie. Journalists lie. Politicians lie. Democrats lie. Leftists lie. Liberals lie. The DOJ lies. The FBI lies. A great number of LEO's lie. The WHO lies. The CDC lies. The NIH lies. They are simply unable to tell the truth because lying is their nature.
ReplyDeletePeople keep asking where this kid got the money to buy these things. Just how naive are you all? He most likely got it the good old American way. Grandma gave him a credit card on her account, just for emergencies, of course. And he figured that buying guns and ammo was an emergency in his opinion.
ReplyDeleteI of course don't know how he paid for the stuff, but that is the first thing that came to mind. If you have a big enough credit line, you can buy anything with a credit card. I knew a guy who bought a used car with a credit card, a long time ago.
30 years ago, I could make a phone call to my bank, in my home town, from work, and ask the president of the bank for a thousand dollar signature loan. After work, I drove the 40 miles home, and stopped and signed the papers and picked up the money at my bank. You could never do that now days.
I keep trying to convince myself that I need an AR15 or an AK 47. But I have no place to shoot one, and the guns that I have seem to work for me and my needs, including defense. In case of civil war, all bets are off, and I will figure something out, like buying one from one of my sons, if needed. But I am not a warrior nor do I play one on TV. If I felt the need to own one, I have the money to buy one, but what I have in my home should suffice for my families protection, which is first and foremost in my mind.
Shame you dont live a little closer, I'd take you over to the Midland County Sportsmans Club and we could shoot Ar's and Mini 14's
DeleteI have a son who lives less than an hour away, who has an AR15 and an AK 47. I have gone there a few times, and shot them with him. The AR15 is a superior weapon in accuracy, but the AK 47 just seems more fun to me. And the ammo used to be cheaper.
DeleteI killed a whitetail spike horn buck there a couple of years ago. I was using my 12 gauge home defense shotgun, with an 18" bbl and no choke. I shot it about 50-60 yards away, and with a 1 oz. slug, it knocked it down of his feet.
I have not been deer hunting again, just because I am the only one in my house that likes venison. But getting out into the woods again with my son was a lot of fun. Plus, finding out that a cheap, ATI pump shotgun with crappy sights would shoot that well, was satisfying. I have that as my long gun home defense weapon. I know that it sounds a bit silly to some, but I have a .22 LR semi with quite a few magazines, that is accurate, and in a pinch, would discourage attackers, if used judiciously.
I have not shot a Mini 14, but they seem to me to be a very good idea. They never seem to pop up on the anti's radar, and yet are just as accurate, perhaps more so than an AR15. They are not modular like the AR, but you can't have everything.
I’ve seen something similar. “Did you know that it’s LEGAL to own a fucking MACHINE GUN?!? and a silencer?!?” To be fair, the person saying this did just seem really stupid, not trying to mislead people, but that’s how this stuff goes. Completely missing was the fact that the cheapest machine guns you can buy are sitting around 8k last time I checked. And also missing was the up to a year longer you gotta wait on your background check before you can actually take it home.
ReplyDeleteYou can buy a machine gun and a silencer on the internet too. You just won’t be taking it home for a lllooonnnggg time. But you can buy all you want.
Gator
"He does say that ordering a gun doesn't feel much different than ordering anything else off the internet"
ReplyDeleteThat guy must be gay.
I get a boner every time I buy gun stuff online
NYC Quartz.com say goy must gib up guns..
ReplyDeleteI've ordered a new carbine that isn't in stock locally. I'm waiting now, it will be a week or so. When it arrives I will drive sixty miles (one way) to the location with the FFL to fill out the paperwork. With gas prices that's another $20. So not like buying a toaster.
ReplyDelete$560 for ammo for that 'kid', did he really think he was going to shoot off that much? Another question, how many mags did he have? Total price tag way over what a Covid check would cover. Color me sceptic.
Before some Court decision in the thirties, Sears sold machine guns in their catalogs. If I wanted to waste my paper route money, I might have purchased a European anti-tank gun from the back of a DC comic book, although I really believed it was a scam.
ReplyDelete@ augustrr - Prior to the National Firearms Act of 1934, Auto-Ordnance Corporation advertised them in magazines as being suitable for use by cowboys. You could buy one at the local hardware store, if that was your wish. Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act, firearms were available via mail-order, including surplus small arms and other weapons from WWII. Someone could, prior to that time, order a Finish Army surplus Lahti 20mm anti-tank rifle plus ammo for it, without a permit. No scam; it was real.
DeleteAfter 1934, owning a select-fire weapon was legal provided you obtained the necessary permit, paid your $200 tax stamp to the ATF, etc. - but once you cleared those hoops, you could own a select-fire NFA Title III weapon. The 1986 Hughes Amendment ended that, for all practical purposes, since it capped permanently the number of select-fire weapons in the domestic market.
Anyone who worked in the retail FA industry, as I once did, has to learn these rules and regulations as part of his training in regulatory compliance.
I remember as a kid looking at the money I earned weeding plus gifts, and seeing the ads in the back of the pulp magazines for a "used, working condition" 1911 for $25, or a random year $20 gold piece for $40. All I would have had to do was sign in the tiny blank that I was 18.
ReplyDeleteAnd I wasted it on other stuff.
John i Indy
Wish I could just send Springfield Armory a check and they'd mail me a new SA-35 ( their version of Browning hi-power)
ReplyDeleteyup. I want one of those myself. and with a list price at 700 and the ones up for sale at one hundred and more mark up ?. I would love to send them a check as well and wait for it to show up at my FFL.
DeleteBeing close the southern turn style, no one has brought up the family's immigration status.
ReplyDeleteThis article is a crock of shit. No goddamn way they are gonna waste DDM4V7 money for a bullshit piece only retarded leftists and pearl-clutching republicans believe
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised some commie-reporter(BIRM) has driven over to the shop that sold the guns and asked the dealer how the kid paid for the stuff.
ReplyDeleteHey, I once owned a T-90 and it was a fine camera. It was one of the last of the old Canon film cameras before the EOS line came out.
ReplyDeleteOh wait. You're talking about a Russian tank aren't you.
Never mind ;-)
When I lived in Texas and had acquired a CHL, I could purchase a firearm without the background check. The license was tough enough to get that the feds waived the full background check if you had the license; just fill out the 4473 and flash the permit. That has been some time ago, so I don't quite know if that situation still holds.
ReplyDeleteThe article is bogus as shit. Yes, you can order a firearm on line. Yes, you pay the manufacturer. Yes, the shipping to the firearms dealer is free. The writer is probably one of those who keep spreading the "gun show loophole" myth. When you go to pick up your firearm from the Federally Licensed dealer, you have to fill out the ATF form, pass the background check, and pay a transfer fee to the dealer. Asshole writer needs his mouth washed out with lye soap and a wire brush for lying.
ReplyDeleteDid you even read the article? Because everything that you mentioned, the author did too.
DeleteI'm not defending the little dweeb's article, but he did bring those points up. I even pointed that out in my commentary.