VIDEO HERE (13:21 minutes)
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Here's what you say to the nice policeman:
"Officer/Detective, I was just involved in a self defense shooting. My mind is all over the place at this time and I can't maintain a decent enough train of thought to give you an accurate statement, so I wish to invoke my 5th Amendment Rights. I will answer your questions only after I've spoken to an attorney."
Then, shut the fuck up. Do not say another single word unless it's to ask for medical assistance to check you out because your heart is racing.
The Police are not your friend.....
ReplyDeleteAlthough it's for different issues, I love what these guys say:
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/V6tfEZI54Jg
Bruce T.
ReplyDeleteThe CLASSIC presentation on this subject is attorney James Duane's Don't Talk to the Police. Everyone should watch this video. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
ReplyDeleteHere's the kicker: at the conclusion, he invites a seasoned police detective and interrogator the opportunity to rebut his argument, The detective's summation? Don't talk to the police.
Then, shut the fuck up.
ReplyDeleteThat's the part that trips people up. They just can't do it.
Thing is, the cops and the prosecutors will wait and use what one says 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months and even years later to nail the defensive shooter.
DeleteIf you shoot someone just shut the F up completely, forever and ever, Amen. That's what gets most people who initially STFU. The waiting game. Prosecutors will play the long game and jam you up.
From my CCW class: "Officer, I'll be happy to talk to you, but before that, I need to go to the hospital to be checked over. My heart is racing, I'm still running on adrenaline, and I'm not thinking too clearly right now, as I'm sure you would be too. I'm worried about having a stroke. Once I've calmed down, and my attorney arrives, I'll be happy to give you my statement. Until then, I have to withhold any further statement."
ReplyDeleteSeems like good advice. It's a predator-prey relationship at that point, and you're the bunny rabbit.
I had the right to remain silent, but not the ability.
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I think the worst I saw of this, which frankly was flat out abuse by the cops, was a TED talk given by a woman whose baby died of SIDS. The female detective lied about finding bruising on the back of the neck of the infant and insinuated to each parent that the other had actually shaken the baby to death. The trauma that that wench did to the parents was on par with losing a child. She absolutely should be fired.
ReplyDeleteIf the couple had sued the police department, if I was a juror, I would have awarded 10s of millions in punishment.
Here is my 911 call:
ReplyDelete"I (we) have been the victim of a violent attack. Please send state police and EMS to [my location]." It will be my only response to any questions asked over the phone, and background noise/conversation will be non-existent. I will then just hang up.
Next I call the CCWSafe emergency line to open a case and get an attorney.
Upon arrival, my ID and firearm will handed to state police, and I will speak to them only to confirm my identity. They will be informed that I am asserting my right to remain silent, and there will be no statements given until I confer with my CCWSafe attorney.
There is a school of thought that my chosen process is how career criminals act, it makes me "appear" guilty and like I've something to hide. But I don't live in Mayberry circa 1960, I live in Kommiecticut, where police are not your friend and prosecutors will fuck you hard if they think they may have a case.
Watching what happened in Kenosha, I think they'll go after you hard even if they don't have a case. The process is the punishment.
DeleteCheck what your phone does after a call to 911. IIRC, some phones go into an emergency mode and won't allow other calls (and certain other functions) for 10 minutes after the 911 call (ends?) Hopefully, you have someone with you that can call the lawyer on their phone.
DeleteJim_R
do not speak to anyone until at least three sleep cycles.
ReplyDeleteI don't sleep with anyone until at least least three talk cycles.....
Deleteit depends on where you live. me, i,m going to the woods, the car wash and then back home to a beer and a bed. i ain't seen nothing.
ReplyDeleteThis guy nails it...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=2373s
Got to admit it is 110% true.
ReplyDeleteSad, really, how the role of police in society has become so inverted? Protect and Serve, bahahhaha!!!! They do not protect you and me (Uvalde, anyone?), and they do not serve us either (just try to speak up at a school board or other public forum, go ahead).
I do not support the 'defund the police' movement or idea, its just not a binary issue like that? However the system is absolutely broken, likely beyond repair. Some sort of solution is needed, or things will continue to get uglier.
Even getting pulled over, just STFU. Be civil, and keep your answers as short as possible, and the two times it's happened to me, responding to any "why" or "what are you doing here" type with questions with silence actually worked. He walked away, ran my stuff, and sent me on my way.
ReplyDeleteThe "wild" phase of my life is over now and I don't have interactions with law enforcement anymore. I think my last meaningful interaction with cops was pointing out to two of them what direction the two scummy homeless looking people they were chasing had gone.
Also, "Sorry, but I don't consent to any searches" is the only thing you should EVER respond to that particular request. Won't always help, but your lack of consent to a search without cause just might matter down the line.
I'm down with refusal of consent to a search except for saying "Sorry". Fuck the statist assholes.
DeleteOne of the things that I find most offensive about interactions with police is that they can lie to us, but it is criminal conduct for us to lie them.
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