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Thursday, October 20, 2022

Bad CARBs

One of the most powerful environmental regulators in the country is set to upturn a critical part of the trucking industry—again. The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has opened up a public comment period until October 27 on a new proposed rule, the Advanced Clean Fleet rule, which would ban the sale of diesel-fueled commercial vehicles in California by 2030.

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  1. And pray tell what is going to transport their goods, get work done in the earth moving industry, or even bring a plumber to your house?

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    1. Looks like a case for the "Propelled fluid" science. That'd be the fantasty fleet of former diesel burners that were given oil blockers & gas tank removial surgery to transition to clean electric vehicles.

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  2. Seems like it's time to start an organized push-back by the industry to say "enough is enough"

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  3. You know, I’ve often wondered what would happen if the rest of the country just said no, you know, like all the corporations that build trucks and trains and things. Fuck em. Let them stew in their own shit. But but but… they produce all that food. Okay, show me the new electric John Deere. These dumb fucks don’t have any kind of plan to produce the electricity required to keep the AC running in peoples homes, let alone what would be required to charge all the nonexistent electric vehicles. Regulate in one hand and shit in the other. Tell me which one fills up faster. Eod1sg Ret

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  4. Maybe the best way to stop the madness is to throttle commerce with California - putting their own future planning on steroids and ramping it up early. Since they rely on ag, start by reducing out-of-state trucking services and diesel by 30% across the board. Claim it as 'prioritizing the transition to Big Green Energy'. Then, once it's been taken out of their hands, let the voters decide how much they like it.

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  5. Fine by me. Let's just see how this works out, shall we?

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  6. When this madness first started, that being the California Compliant 'Teir I, II, III, IV' diesel engines, the American Trucking Association, which represents the large fleets, was all for it. They knew it would drive small independent trucking firms out of business. It will be interesting to see whose ox gets gored this go around.

    I have always believed what will happen is that there will be fleets of trucks based in California that will do nothing but haul freight to just outside the state and will then be hauled to points east in trucks base plated anywhere but California. But that's just a guess. A lot can happen between now and 2030.

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    1. I bet that's exactly what'll happen. I remember going to drayage to drop off trailers bound for Mexico.

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  7. Along the lines of other comments, I have half-heartedly wished the oil and other industries would call the bluff on the idiotic gov officials and their stupid proposals.
    Want to transition away from oil? OK, we will start shutting down the oil terminals at Cherry Point Wa and in Cali, will start putting company owned mini-marts and stations on the sales block, deliveries of products will diminish and stop within the next couple of years. Start small with the other products made from petroleum distillates, etc.
    It would really mess up where I live, at least for a while, but that is what it is going to take.
    Like Aggie said above, once the constituents start to realize the actual impacts the 'green' leftist policies have on their day to day lives, things might turn around.

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  8. California produces very high % of many vegetables & fruits, particularly in colder months.

    Unfortunately to date, there isn't a battery/technology that can run an 18 wheeler.

    Ex: ford f150 platinum ev w 7000# camper got less than 100 miles to the charge.

    Couple this w the UNreliable green grid in CA...

    But technology breeds & builds upon itself so we will see which wins that race.

    ch

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  9. It's costly, but you can build as big a battery as you need by wiring many packs in parallel and serial. But where will you charge it? I've already noted that you aren't going to run a fast charger for an e-car off the smallish service entrance (and power company wires and transformers) normal in a gas station or other small-to-medium store. But a truck fast charger needs a service entrance like heavy industry.

    And CA is already getting smacked with reality every summer when the electric demand exceeds the supply; unless they reverse course on fossil fuel and nuclear plants, trucks will be getting stranded all the time by power shortages.

    But can CA block interstate traffic in trucks compliant with federal rules? I don't think so. I expect that after the courts rule, they'll only have crippled trucking companies based in CA and trucks carrying things between points in CA. You want your order to arrive in time, you order from out-of-state, shipped by an out-of-state shipping company in trucks that actually work. Warehouses will line the borders. Even groceries will be shipped from out of state directly to the store or your house. And if you have to ship from Los Angeles to San Francisco, you ship to Reno, unload the truck, and load it into a different truck as another shipment. Everyone left in CA will be paying a premium for these shipping workarounds.

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    1. Good comment but in the last paragraph you mentioned unloading and loading trucks. Not true, they'll just leave the trailer loaded and hook up a different tractor to it.

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