Tuesday, April 04, 2023
EPA approves California rules phasing out diesel trucks
The Biden administration cleared the way Friday for California’s plan to phase out a wide range of diesel-powered trucks, part of the state’s efforts to drastically cut planet-warming emissions and improve air quality in heavy-traffic areas like ports along the coast.
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Addicted to cars..... No, I just need reliable, consistent transportation. Something that I can refuel in under 15 minutes and has range. Rural living and its 45 minutes on the two lane state highway to get to town.
ReplyDeleteIt's infuriating that the technology to level diesel emissions with those of gasoline engines has existed for 40 years but vehicle manufacturers have resisted any effort to shift to it and bought-out legislators have obsequiously complied. So now it's come to this. Of course no effort has been spared, either, to resist more efficient and cleaner gasoline powered engines. Now electric vehicles stand in stark contrast to internal combustion ones. And while I'm all for having both, forcing a hasty transition to electric sets us up for disfunctional disaster. And it also rigs the market in favor of electric ones for price gouging. I'm not an expert on any of this, but it's clear to me that one of the important aspects of electric tech adoption is the evoloution of battery technology. For example, in a big truck, you don't have the same mass constraints on batteries so more economical and ecologically sound battery options are arising. That makes it multiply unfortunate to force an "untuned transition" to California Crazy. (A little ranty and unedited for me but after a harrowing vet day yesterday I need it. Mr. Meow is okay for now. He's near end of life, but whatever had him down this week seems to have passed. 🤞) -joely
ReplyDelete“it also rigs the market in favor of electric ones for price gouging.”
DeleteIf there weren’t huge subsidies for electric cars, there wouldn’t be any.
“Here, let the taxpayers help you buy your coal/nuke/hydroelectric powered car.”
PG&E cannot handle California's current electricity demands without external supply, some of it coal, and neither the utilities nor the state are looking at updating the grid either. So, more demand, no greater supply, crash.
DeleteAlso, as Anon (2:29) states, no one could afford the transition without getting taxed and getting a trickle back.
As for car versus truck and battery weight constraints, you'll still need more motor and battery to move the additional battery weight (cars weigh an extra 3k, and go through tires and brakes faster, too).
And then there's that dirty hazmat afterward of disposing all those lithium batteries - hazmat.
Diesel trucks are very useful. They'd be better off banning diesel dykes.
ReplyDeleteWe used to call them "diesel douches" in the Coast Guard!
DeleteYour fresh groceries will be delivered by mule train.
ReplyDeleteIf you're lucky enough to still find someone else to plant, reap, and move it closer without diesel.
DeleteYou'd better have already begun your victory garden.
Much like the old cab-over-engine trucks, somebody will come up with a useful idea to get around arbitrary rules that don't make a lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteMost of you are just plain uneducated. Diesel is not bad for the environment in any way shape or form. Do you realize that diesel electric trains are the most efficient vehicles on the planet?
ReplyDeleteMight want to look in the mirror before you start calling 'most' of the other commenters ignorant. I see all of one that may be a little critical of diesel trucks.
DeleteBless your heart.
Delete"cut planet-warming emissions and improve air quality in heavy-traffic areas" -- no and no. This is a red flag for the end of Cali. Go ahead on, Party like you're dying.
ReplyDeleteTime to start ridding the middle of the country of all the GMO garbage grains and filling it up with fruit trees, nut trees, vegetable farms, and whatever else we are going to need to do without once California is gone. And all manufacturers need to move out as well.
ReplyDeleteI have been in the diesel industry for 20 years and have seen the transition from unregulated to the new tier V engines. The biggest reason you have seen the change over was from the black smoke that diesels produce when they are over fueled either from tampering with the fuel pump or running a clogged air filter. My only concern is the exhaust filter is reducing the particle size to smaller than pollen which surely hangs aloft in the air longer for you to breathe. The new engines are more fuel efficient until they have to be run through a regen because the filter is clogged. But as long as raibows and unicorns come from the stack the government is happy. Saving the planet one cardboard box and plastic jug at a time.
ReplyDeleteI hope California doesn't have a truck running in 5 years. Good luck, Cali!
ReplyDeleteThe large fleets turn their trucks over every 3 years at +/- 600,000 miles. They'll always play California's game, knowing that they're eliminating the competition from the mom and pop / independent owner operator.
DeleteThe American Trucking Association (ATA) was completely supportive of the CARB standards that meant no trucks in CA older than 2010 models. It was no skin off of their nose.
A semi with one and a half trailers filled with batteries to get across town. What a concept.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for the lines of trucks stopped near the top of the passes out of Cali carrying 40K lbs of imported goods from China because they ran out of battery. Not to mention the reefer trucks, hauling produce from the Central Valley that take 1.5 times as long to recharge because they also have to recharge the reefer truck battery supplying power to the chiller in the reefer trailer. Who's going to build all of those charging stations near/at the tops of the passes and where are they going to get the electric power from?
ReplyDeleteTime to stop delivering all goods to LA, SF, Sacramento, all blue state capitols and cities and D.C from west coast ports and the central valley.
In fact, shut the whole thing down.
It's time all of these woke pols figure out who REALLY controls the economy and the infrastructure in this country. Two weeks tops and they'll be crying uncle, especially after the lights go out because they didn't think through the power required for all of those "extra" grid draws.
Who the eff are they kidding? There isn't enough power in the Cali grid now to supply the existing draw without rolling black/brown outs, not to mention that the current draw on hot days forces the high voltage lines to sag touching off wild fires hither and yon.
Nemo
This will end well, I'm sure. I mean we don't really need reliable transportation of goods, right?
ReplyDeleteThe more the whole "OMG we must save the warming planet" narrative collapses, the harder it gets rammed down our collective throats.