TN lawmaker files bill to require DNA collection for all felony offense arrests
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) — A bill from an East Tennessee Republican would require law enforcement to collect a DNA sample for all those arrested for felony offenses in the state.
State Rep. John Crawford (R-Bristol-Kingsport) filed House Bill 473, which would establish procedures for DNA collection and the management of biological samples by law enforcement.
Don't think so. This is not good. The sample is required on arrest and according to the bill, the sample will be destroyed and records deleted on dismissal or acquittal. So, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, no crime conviction, no record. BUT I'm quite sure that the sample will be matched to everything, and probably promulgated into records not under Tennessee's control, WHILE the case is pending. So that's an unlawful search, and once the data is in the system, it's in the system. Nope. Bad law. Require a sample on conviction, no problem. This? Uh-uh.
Henk: It's a Fourth Amendment issue. And I would bet $100.00 some zealous Orc or Orcette with a badge would have no problem sharing it with the Feds. This cannot stand.
I have a problem with collecting DNA evidence on arrest. Only if you are convicted should they be able to do such an invasive thing. An arrest is not a conviction. Many people arrested are innocent and that seems like a violation of our 4th and 5th amendment rights.
Helping yourself to some pootang while she was drunk is also called RAPE. If they can match you to that pootang wile drunk serving then you should be in jail. If the rape victim becomes pregnant and can prove the kid is yours on top of going to jail you should pay child support.
None of this has anything to do with this new law. Everything that you described ahs been illegal forever.
I agree upon conviction, not before, and as to taking upon arrest and deleting it if not convicted, another poster is correct, it will be picked up by state, federal, and lord knows hom many other databases.
I had a Doctor 15 years ago that put in the wrong code in my medical records, saying I had cotards syndrom (walking corpse syndrome). I saw it in my medical records, called his office twice about it. Finally it disappeared from Novant's system, but then I ran into it about a dozen times in other data bases, it took about 7 years to get it cleared. So all of the connected databases all get the information, probably a lot of them get it without any notification.
I was put onto that scheme a few decades ago by reading a book on personal privacy for Y2K. After that, I started reading the HIPAA waivers you are asked to sign in medical offices for any procedure, and noted that they are all wholesale blanket waivers allowing the insurance company to access your entire medical records, and share them anywhere without recourse. Uh NO. I either don't sign or cross out the 'wholesale' and write in, "as needed for this procedure".
This proposed law is yet another example of the Deep State trying to get more info on you, and as noted by others, once shared, it goes everywhere. Steve
As far as anything you sign in a doctor's office, especially in an ER, why aren't those invalid since you are signing under duress? In pain, are you? Sign this and we'll make it all better.
I agree with the above reasons, but know this will cost the state by their estimates 3 million a year and only 9 new state positions and has been demonstrated by all levels of government, they always underestimate cost and bodies needed.
This is just like those "ancestry" ploys. They get you to send in your DNA under the guise of telling you your ancestry, and also put you and your DNA on file. The "federales" will keep collecting data on all people for "anti-terrorism" and the like excuses. What's FBI's favorite line? "The person was on our radar".
So let me get this straight . . a cop doesn't like the way you looked at him, arrests you for obstruction, or some other drummed up felony charge, and tah dah! Now they can take your DNA. Even though later via their corrupt court systems, and at your expense, you prove nothing you did warranted the arrest.
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Don't think so. This is not good. The sample is required on arrest and according to the bill, the sample will be destroyed and records deleted on dismissal or acquittal. So, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, no crime conviction, no record. BUT I'm quite sure that the sample will be matched to everything, and probably promulgated into records not under Tennessee's control, WHILE the case is pending. So that's an unlawful search, and once the data is in the system, it's in the system. Nope. Bad law. Require a sample on conviction, no problem. This? Uh-uh.
ReplyDelete"Require a sample on conviction, no problem."
Delete100% agreed, all the other attempts to gather information clearly goes against some amendment.
Henk: It's a Fourth Amendment issue. And I would bet $100.00 some zealous Orc or Orcette with a badge would have no problem sharing it with the Feds. This cannot stand.
DeleteI have a problem with collecting DNA evidence on arrest. Only if you are convicted should they be able to do such an invasive thing. An arrest is not a conviction. Many people arrested are innocent and that seems like a violation of our 4th and 5th amendment rights.
ReplyDeleteBeat me to it.
DeleteMe three. For the exact same reason.
DeleteCriminal invaders have none of the protections enumerated in the Bill of Rights. We need more trebuches.
Delete*trebuchets.
DeleteGonna nail you for that poontang you helped yourself to when she was drunk. Oh, and child support. That will work out better than a national ID system
ReplyDeleteHelping yourself to some pootang while she was drunk is also called RAPE. If they can match you to that pootang wile drunk serving then you should be in jail. If the rape victim becomes pregnant and can prove the kid is yours on top of going to jail you should pay child support.
DeleteNone of this has anything to do with this new law. Everything that you described ahs been illegal forever.
More of the governments guilty so screw your due process.
ReplyDeleteI agree upon conviction, not before, and as to taking upon arrest and deleting it if not convicted, another poster is correct, it will be picked up by state, federal, and lord knows hom many other databases.
ReplyDeleteI had a Doctor 15 years ago that put in the wrong code in my medical records, saying I had cotards syndrom (walking corpse syndrome). I saw it in my medical records, called his office twice about it. Finally it disappeared from Novant's system, but then I ran into it about a dozen times in other data bases, it took about 7 years to get it cleared. So all of the connected databases all get the information, probably a lot of them get it without any notification.
I was put onto that scheme a few decades ago by reading a book on personal privacy for Y2K. After that, I started reading the HIPAA waivers you are asked to sign in medical offices for any procedure, and noted that they are all wholesale blanket waivers allowing the insurance company to access your entire medical records, and share them anywhere without recourse.
DeleteUh NO.
I either don't sign or cross out the 'wholesale' and write in, "as needed for this procedure".
This proposed law is yet another example of the Deep State trying to get more info on you, and as noted by others, once shared, it goes everywhere.
Steve
As far as anything you sign in a doctor's office, especially in an ER, why aren't those invalid since you are signing under duress? In pain, are you? Sign this and we'll make it all better.
DeleteI agree with the above reasons, but know this will cost the state by their estimates 3 million a year and only 9 new state positions and has been demonstrated by all levels of government, they always underestimate cost and bodies needed.
ReplyDeleteNever trust the government.
ReplyDeleteThis is all well and good, until you remember that "slippery slope" thing...
ReplyDeleteThis is just like those "ancestry" ploys. They get you to send in your DNA under the guise of telling you your ancestry, and also put you and your DNA on file. The "federales" will keep collecting data on all people for "anti-terrorism" and the like excuses. What's FBI's favorite line? "The person was on our radar".
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, people willingly pay 'services' like Ancestry (a subsidiary of Blackrock) to analyze their dna...(smh)
ReplyDelete-lg
So let me get this straight . . a cop doesn't like the way you looked at him, arrests you for obstruction, or some other drummed up felony charge, and tah dah! Now they can take your DNA. Even though later via their corrupt court systems, and at your expense, you prove nothing you did warranted the arrest.
ReplyDeletePIss on their graves.
Laws like this which ignore the Bill Of Rights carry a political death sentence. Primary and/or recall every one of these fools.
ReplyDelete