Screw that, if I arrive at 10:02, then I will clock out at 6:02. What about the times I arrived way early and got put to work early, do I get out early?
Forced prosperity, a corrective action disguised as a bonus paid at time and half. Take their money on foul weather days. Simple planning would make that quite the profitable thing.
How to get a 40% raise: Come in 15 minutes late. You are then forced to stay 2.5 hours after 6. This gets you 12..25 hours of OT at time and a half for the week.
When I had habitual tardiness, I just sent them home for 2 days, no pay. Most learned that it was expensive to be late. We always worked out of town. A few would think cool, 2 days off. The 2nd 2 days off I backcharged them for the hotel room costs. Needless to say my crews arrived on time.
And employers scream and wail they can't find good people... Chicken or egg? Treat people like shit, get shit. Treat people well, they tend to stick around and work harder. Why is it most companies can't figure that out? Somewhere along the line management thinks it can extract the value from you, rather than creating working conditions and wages where you would gladly give it to them. Take vs. Give, same as it ever was.
Bull crap. Showing up, and keep showing up is not even the half of it. It doesn't matter how well you treat employees because it's what's inside the counts. Good workers will leave you hanging almost as much as bad workers. With bad workers, at least you see it coming. And friend, let me tell you that incentives don't work.
Showing up late without a damn good verifiable excuse is rude and evidence of a lack of respect. Few will agree with that. Them who do, they do fiercely.
Where I work, we badge in and badge out. Upper management got bitchy when the plant manager noticed a whole line of cars leaving the parking lot 5 to 10 minutes before official quitting time. So my boss swings by and tells me (who never left early anyway) that he's pulling my gate records cause I wasn't in the office yesterday when he checked ten minutes before quitting time.
My response consisted of two parts. One - did you cross-reference the vacation schedule and see that I wasn't here all day, not just the last ten minutes? And Two - go ahead, pull gate records. Go back for several years. Look at when I got here (always early) and when I left (lots of late evenings). Pull for weekends and holidays too. Then come talk to me about fair compensation for all the extra time I put in.
He never came back to me to discuss. I went to a strict 8 hr work day after that. I'd sit in my car and wait so that I badged in exactly on time. I badged out exactly at quitting time. And I didn't answer the phone evenings and weekends. Fuck that.
I am a retired nurse, always worked graves. I was always early and usually left later as I was the charge nurse for the floor at the hospital. They trusted us to fill out our time sheets and submit them. The problem would be they would call during the week when I was off(worked three 12 hour shifts, Friday, Saturday, Sunday) to see if I could work extra. I finally had enough, I had a wall phone installed in my kitchen and I disconnected the ringer and substituted a blinking red light. I had to have a phone number available... I changed my normal phone number and I never gave them my cell phone number(remember paying for minutes?) I could say I never received a phone call and when I called them on the phone it would show up on their caller ID. Screw them, my off time was my time.
I've always been a get there early guy... I prefer to be 30 minutes early than 5 minutes late but I'm not going to be there under these conditions or I will be payed for the whole time I'm there JD
Same here. I had a 45 mile commute in the morning and I left an hour and a half before my shift started to allow for truck problems or an accident. It paid off a few times, but mostly it gave me time to enjoy a cup of coffee and my morning paper before my shift started.
I wonder what industry such a stupid manager's tactic would fester? I can only guess it's a white-collar salaried office job where the company feels cheated by slackers. If there is no overtime, so adding work hours is punishment.
Whatever. Most places that I have worked at have an attendance policy that only lets a person punch in late a limited amount of times before termination . So who needs a sign ? "Sorry loser you can't make it on time you are fired ,now grab your stuff and leave.
I worked at a place where, if you clocked in two minutes late, you'd catch hell. But you also weren't allowed to clock in early, at all, even if your crew was ready to go.
I recall reading the old Coyoteblog that he stopped hiring teenagers for the easy camp/rv area jobs in the national parks and woods because the kids not only showed up late and left early but they also got into fights with the people that wanted to visit and camp in the parks. He put in place a strict retirees only hiring plan after CA went crazy on workmens comp and some other employment issues. I'm with the other guys above though and see this as mandatory overtime at time and a half. It's a really stupid thing to put in writing.
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Screw that, if I arrive at 10:02, then I will clock out at 6:02. What about the times I arrived way early and got put to work early, do I get out early?
ReplyDeleteForced prosperity, a corrective action disguised as a bonus paid at time and half. Take their money on foul weather days. Simple planning would make that quite the profitable thing.
DeleteTMF Bert
Does the same rule apply if I show up early?
ReplyDeleteNo?
Then fuck you.
My first thought too. I'll show up at 9:54 and book at 5 then,
DeleteGood for the goose...
And that is why I don't care for the tyranny of modern workplaces.
ReplyDeleteSounds like I get to work whatever amount of overtime I want....
ReplyDelete~Squire
The "thanks" at the end of this snotgram only adds injury to insult.
ReplyDeleteHow to get a 40% raise:
ReplyDeleteCome in 15 minutes late.
You are then forced to stay 2.5 hours after 6.
This gets you 12..25 hours of OT at time and a half for the week.
I, for one, fully endorse this.
ReplyDeleteAfter the lawsuit, I'll never have to work again!
The AFL-CIO might take issues with this edict.
ReplyDelete"Never go full retard".
ReplyDeleteWhen I had habitual tardiness, I just sent them home for 2 days, no pay. Most learned that it was expensive to be late. We always worked out of town. A few would think cool, 2 days off. The 2nd 2 days off I backcharged them for the hotel room costs. Needless to say my crews arrived on time.
ReplyDeleteAnd employers scream and wail they can't find good people...
ReplyDeleteChicken or egg? Treat people like shit, get shit. Treat people well, they tend to stick around and work harder.
Why is it most companies can't figure that out?
Somewhere along the line management thinks it can extract the value from you, rather than creating working conditions and wages where you would gladly give it to them.
Take vs. Give, same as it ever was.
Bull crap.
DeleteShowing up, and keep showing up is not even the half of it.
It doesn't matter how well you treat employees because it's what's inside the counts. Good workers will leave you hanging almost as much as bad workers. With bad workers, at least you see it coming.
And friend, let me tell you that incentives don't work.
Showing up late without a damn good verifiable excuse is rude and evidence of a lack of respect. Few will agree with that. Them who do, they do fiercely.
Where I work, we badge in and badge out. Upper management got bitchy when the plant manager noticed a whole line of cars leaving the parking lot 5 to 10 minutes before official quitting time. So my boss swings by and tells me (who never left early anyway) that he's pulling my gate records cause I wasn't in the office yesterday when he checked ten minutes before quitting time.
ReplyDeleteMy response consisted of two parts. One - did you cross-reference the vacation schedule and see that I wasn't here all day, not just the last ten minutes? And Two - go ahead, pull gate records. Go back for several years. Look at when I got here (always early) and when I left (lots of late evenings). Pull for weekends and holidays too. Then come talk to me about fair compensation for all the extra time I put in.
He never came back to me to discuss. I went to a strict 8 hr work day after that. I'd sit in my car and wait so that I badged in exactly on time. I badged out exactly at quitting time. And I didn't answer the phone evenings and weekends. Fuck that.
I am a retired nurse, always worked graves. I was always early and usually left later as I was the charge nurse for the floor at the hospital. They trusted us to fill out our time sheets and submit them. The problem would be they would call during the week when I was off(worked three 12 hour shifts, Friday, Saturday, Sunday) to see if I could work extra. I finally had enough, I had a wall phone installed in my kitchen and I disconnected the ringer and substituted a blinking red light. I had to have a phone number available... I changed my normal phone number and I never gave them my cell phone number(remember paying for minutes?) I could say I never received a phone call and when I called them on the phone it would show up on their caller ID. Screw them, my off time was my time.
DeleteI've always been a get there early guy... I prefer to be 30 minutes early than 5 minutes late but I'm not going to be there under these conditions or I will be payed for the whole time I'm there
ReplyDeleteJD
Same here. I had a 45 mile commute in the morning and I left an hour and a half before my shift started to allow for truck problems or an accident. It paid off a few times, but mostly it gave me time to enjoy a cup of coffee and my morning paper before my shift started.
DeleteThat's what I used to tell all my crew members. About being 30 early than 5 late.
DeleteI wonder what industry such a stupid manager's tactic would fester? I can only guess it's a white-collar salaried office job where the company feels cheated by slackers. If there is no overtime, so adding work hours is punishment.
ReplyDeleteNew Office Rule: For every stupid New Office Rule, ten employees will quit and find a better place to work.
ReplyDeleteLemme guess. This rule doesn't apply to the shrieking harridan from HR who came up with the stupid rule.
ReplyDeleteWhatever. Most places that I have worked at have an attendance policy that only lets a person punch in late a limited amount of times before termination . So who needs a sign ? "Sorry loser
ReplyDeleteyou can't make it on time you are fired ,now grab your stuff and leave.
let me run that by the labor board
ReplyDeleteI worked at a place where, if you clocked in two minutes late, you'd catch hell. But you also weren't allowed to clock in early, at all, even if your crew was ready to go.
ReplyDeleteFuck that.
So by that same time standard (1 min. late equals 10 min. of my personal time) if I get called in on a vacation day I get 80 hr. over time?
ReplyDeleteHow do you say you work in a DEI position at the office without saying you are a DEI hire?
ReplyDeleteI recall reading the old Coyoteblog that he stopped hiring teenagers for the easy camp/rv area jobs in the national parks and woods because the kids not only showed up late and left early but they also got into fights with the people that wanted to visit and camp in the parks. He put in place a strict retirees only hiring plan after CA went crazy on workmens comp and some other employment issues.
ReplyDeleteI'm with the other guys above though and see this as mandatory overtime at time and a half. It's a really stupid thing to put in writing.