Sunday, August 19, 2012

As the feds try to explain away the purchases of all that ammo.....

Saw this article today HERE and figured I'd pass it on. It's nice to know that somebody else is calling bullshit on them.

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Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
Major General Jerry Curry (Ret.)

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea
War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.


17 comments:

Rich T said...

Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

Me

Anonymous said...

And here is the most recent response from skunk.gov its a Fox News link...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/


OB55

mohave rat said...

Are they going to throw them? Where are they getting all the guns from? Arming every Social Security Office Worker would require an enormous amount of weapons, I would think. Plus, a little training for the staff, like how to load, put on the safety, don't point the damn things at each other. Just curious.

Wraith said...

And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.

Why do I doubt that's going to happen?

hiswiserangel said...

And yet, we're being encouraged NOT to arm ourselves, a God-given right.

Stu said...

And the MSM won't cover it, if they do they can't use the old he's a racist line.

Because the General is black, and thay will really piss them bastards off.

Thunderstick said...

In return, set up your drill press to drill a 1/8 to 5/32 diameter hole about 1/2 the depth of your bullet. Next, fill hole nearly to the top with mercury then cap it off with a dollop of molten lead to seal it. Makes a hollow point benign in comparison.
Just a suggestion.

Thunderstick said...

In return, set up your drill press to drill a 1/8 to 5/32 diameter hole about 1/2 the depth of your bullet. Next, fill hole nearly to the top with mercury then cap it off with a dollop of molten lead to seal it. Makes a hollow point benign in comparison.
Just a suggestion.

Thunderstick said...

In return, set up your drill press to drill a 1/8 to 5/32 diameter hole about 1/2 the depth of your bullet. Next, fill hole nearly to the top with mercury then cap it off with a dollop of molten lead to seal it. Makes a hollow point benign in comparison.
Just a suggestion.

Thunderstick said...

In return, set up your drill press to drill a 1/8 to 5/32 diameter hole about 1/2 the depth of your bullet. Next, fill hole nearly to the top with mercury then cap it off with a dollop of molten lead to seal it. Makes a hollow point benign in comparison.
Just a suggestion.

Thunderstick said...

In return, set up your drill press to drill a 1/8 to 5/32 diameter hole about 1/2 the depth of your bullet. Next, fill hole nearly to the top with mercury then cap it off with a dollop of molten lead to seal it. Makes a hollow point benign in comparison.
Just a suggestion.

Glenn B said...

Not as many as DHS placed an order for some months back but one really has to woinder why the fuck SSA needs any ammo at all! They certainly do not need armed investigators. This all stinks of a heavily armed civilian force to cpunter what I believe the government thinks is the upcoming conservative driven revolution - or maybe this ammo is to arm the revolution Obama wants to start.

Glenn B said...

I just did research. The SSA has 295 Special Agents (criminal investigators) nationwide.

170K of rounds divided among 295 agents comes out to about 576 rounds per agent. I am going to guess, they probably shoot at least 50 rounds to qualify each quarter and are also likely to shoot some training rounds for tactical purposes, my guess would be 50 to 100 additional rounds per quarterly qualification cycle, for a total of 100 to 150 rounds per quarter. At 100 rounds per quarter than works out to 5.76 qualifications/training worth of ammo for the 295 agents. At 150 rounds per quarter, that works out to about 3.84 quals/training worth of ammo.

That is nothing like what DHS ordered some months back. Of course, for all I know, SSA agents may only shoot a 30 round qual each quarter which could give each agent about 19 quals worth of ammo. Regardless of how many they shoot per quarter, 576 rounds per agent works out to be chicken scratch for a few chickens. On the other hand, DHS ordered enough for a long term civil war.

By the way, hollow points are standard issue for just about every federal law enforcement agency of which I can think, if not for all of them. I was always amazed I could carry HPs as a federal agent when it would have been possible that anyone I would have shot would have been a U.S. Citizen. (Although, I must point out, it was probably much more likely it would have been a furIner based on the agencies for which I worked. Yet, our military personnel are limited to carry FMJ rounds and they are shooting at our nation's fucking enemies! That ain’t right! Not that I am saying feds should not use HPs, I think if you carry a gun for self defense it should be shooting effective bullets. I also think we should tell everyone - worldwide -fuck the Geneva Convention and HP restrictions.

All the best,
GB

Dobro Player said...

An explanation that they gave for the purchase of all this ammunition is that they are just using it for target practice. If they were buying ammunition just for target practice, wouldn't they buy wad cutters or something and not hollow points?

Anonymous said...

practice with your cary ammo so you KNOW it and that it works.
Most armed feds qual twice a year with fifty rounds of ammo but they are allowed an extra 50 to warm-up/practice pre-qual. plus duty ammo and some "just in case" these numbers aren't insane.

DHS has between 60 & 70 thousand agents so their gonna use a shitpot full of ammo. also the end of the goverment fiscal year is Sept 30 and budgets are "use it or lose it." so every agency with armed agents use this time to stock up.

John Henry said...

The military should have deposed Obama when he starting trashing the constitution long ago. He has been perverting his office and dictating shit that is killing freedom and prosperity.

Isn't the duty of the American military to defend the constitution of America?

What aren't they doing their duty?

Anonymous said...

They have .40S&W (and some 9mm and .357 Sig). We have .30-06, .308, .270, and on and on and on.

Having had to qualify once a year (yes, only once a year) as a FPO these numbers seem reasonable as the "use or lose" time of year comes close.