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Aesop predicted widespread death and destruction in the US over the ebola deal.
He was wrong.
He predicted widespread death and destruction over the Richmond rally.
He was wrong.
He's now predicting widespread death and destruction over the beervirus.
Time is proving him wrong.
Three strikes and you're out, baby.
I used to read him occasionally until he started ranting and insulting anybody that dared disagree with him because he obviously knows everything about everything.
Now he's gotten to the point that he starts ranting and insulting before anybody even has a chance to disagree with him. If I want to hear childish rants and fit throwing, I'm sure I could find some on youtube somewhere.
And yeah, if he sees this I'm sure he'll have some choice words for me. Let him - I'm not going to get into a flame war with a grown man that has an attitude of a spoiled child.
I think he provided a great service early in Covid-19 when people were in denial.
ReplyDeleteI give him the benefit of the doubt. I assume he is working too many hours and not getting enough sleep.
I do agree with you. He is painful to read right now and I stopped going there.
Amirite?
He first yelled at everyone who noticed what was happening in China in late December and early January and were sounding a cautionary alarm. "OOOH, You're Fearmongering, it's just seasonal flu."
DeleteAnd then, when it started coming out that it was... a fucked-up seasonal flu, no more deadly than the average seasonal flu, just with a better PR firm, and people started saying, "Whoa, looks not as bad as we thought, we can mellow out a bit," he went full Alex Jones and screamed at anyone, especially if anyone called him on screaming at them in the first place.
Nah, he's dead to me. Just because he's 'MR. ER NURSE TO THE STARS' doesn't make him any better than the rest of us.
I agree with you and Glen Filthie about Aesop. Rants and raves with no basis. Quit reading that some time ago. But I still read Filthies Thunderbox!!
ReplyDeleteWhen Filthie is being an arsehole, he's being a correct arsehole. So I give him props for that.
DeleteAesop is just Alex Jones in a nursing uniform.
Agree with everything you said. I don't visit his site anymore. He has a really false sense of his worth.
ReplyDeleteHe's turned off comments on his blog because he's tired of dealing with people who disagree with him. For someone with his knowledge and experience I'm surprised at how high strung he can be. Wound a little too tight for my tastes.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with ya WC, I too am a retired nurse and his overblown rants and delusional flaming of those souls that dare to politely disagree is tiring. I just skim every once in a while over there to see iffn' he has calmed down and put up informative posts.
ReplyDeleteI got tired of Aesop's "I'm the smartest MF in the world you dumbasses" bullshit a long time ago. I've checked to see what he had to say on the china virus a couple of times just for shits and grins. One thing I will give him though, he's second to none when it comes to hysterical fear mongering.
ReplyDelete- singlestack
He lost me during the VA 2A protests.
ReplyDeleteHe was angrily and insultingly wrong about violent infiltrators but didn't admit it. He claimed he was right anyway.
Nobody is right all the time but if you refuse to admit it I lose any respect I might have felt.
Hey, if I'm wrong about something I'll admit it a heartbeat. That alone goes a long way as far as respect and credibility is concerned.
DeleteYeah, funny about that VA 2A protest. It took a friggin shutdown of the state for the Governor to enact his Californation of Virginia.
DeleteAnd I'm sure that the protests are the reason that the VA governor wants to keep the shutdown going.
Aesop won't respond when you ask him what he and his fellow ostriches have done to secure their 2A rights.
In fact, Aesop called the Florida Carry people who did the armed fishing (it's legal, in Florida, to open carry when fishing) events gun-larping, especially after the first one in Broward County got shut down by the Sheriff illegally and then the second one the FL Carry people went overboard with open carry.
Maybe if the people in California had stood up to Sacramento, they wouldn't be barely behind Massachusetts in anti-gun stupidity.
He's definitely an excitable and prolix fellow...
ReplyDeleteYep...the VA 2A thing was a big warning sign...
ReplyDeleteDitto; stopped reading Aesop over the same thing.
ReplyDeleteOTOH, I blogged about the Diamond Princess as a case study, along with some other examples from other countries, and predicted exactly what LA is seeing with their antibody testing. Someone did that in Mass, too; 200 random man-on-the-street tests, with no history of C19 symptoms, and 32% were positive.
Man, this is sad. I consider Aesop a friend. As in a sit down to dinner together, talk for hours friend. Thing is, he's a gentleman in person. Bit intense, but definitely not nasty or mean, just direct to a level that makes some people uncomfortable. (Of course, I spend time around heart surgeons and interventional cardiologists, so I'm pretty used to that sort of thing. Surprisingly, OB/Gyn docs tend to be really unpleasant people, and a disturbingly large fraction of public health/epidemiology types turn out to be unexpectedly vicious, bitchy little shits. But I digress*.)
ReplyDeleteThat said, I have no insight as to what's been going on over at the blog though. I haven't been over in a while either, because the signal-to-heat ratio has changed unfavorably. FWIW I think he was entirely right about the potential risk with Ebola, and frankly I was expecting VA 2A to be a buffalo jump myself. The difference is that I am really happy to have been wrong, and glad to admit it. China flu I've felt from the beginning to be oversold as a threat. I'm just trying to figure out how much of the yuuuge disaster that is still brewing was deliberate, and how much was just the usual suspects opportunistically taking advantage. You KNOW there are people amassing wealth and power in all this confusion and mess, and most of those are the parasitic scum that already have great wealth and power.
*not entirely a digression: the public health types saw Corona-chan as their moment in the sun, and one should never let weak, bitchy people of any kind (but especially men) get power, because they will abuse it.
With the ebola deal, I was just sitting back and watching but not expressing my opinion about it one way or another.
DeleteThe Richmond rally? I said a few times that it had the potential to turn bad, but I didn't insult people that supported it or had intentions of going.
As far as the coronavirus goes, once it started taking off I just kept comparing to influenza statistics and really failed to see the emergency. But at the same time I was seeing HUGE government overreach and what really shocked me was the people that considered themselves to be Freedom loving Americans that were going along with it.
All that being said, had Aesop admitted he was wrong with both the ebola and Richmond things instead of responding with insults, I'd have a much higher opinion of him now.
You know if we all had to meet one another face to face I think our conversations would be a little more civil online...I think Mr. Aesop is a little stressed out and sometimes to quick on taking the bait that the trolls throw out and let me tell you there is a shit ton of Anonymous Trolls out there... I think he is passionate about what he espouse's and sometimes doesn't put stuff in a way that is easily understood as worst case scenarios...He is a very smart guy and I've met him in person and if you broke bread with him you could get where he is coming from...Does he need to apologise for things I guess depends on if he thinks there is something to apologise for...I respect both of you Brothers and I hope something can be worked out to everyones satisfaction...
DeleteI'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist and I don't play one on TV, however as the weeks went by and as Aesop got more strident in rebuttals to various posts, especially the ones that tried to point out the Constitutional issues with the lock downs/quarantines/whatever you want to call it, I got the impression that he was burning his candle at both ends, working all kinds of crazy hours in a life threatening environment AND maintaining the blog and it was affecting his judgement.
ReplyDeleteThere were also some commenters that purposely antagonized him knowing his reaction to argument or apparent criticism and his penchant for being unwilling to see any position other than through his own lens.
Too bad he took the bait instead of just ignoring them.
Nemo
I was wondering when someone would post this. Agreed.
ReplyDeleteI kinda get the idea that he is some low level EMT or hospital worker that likes to repeat things he heard from someone higher in the chain at a lunchroom table....and that he doesn't fully understand all that he is hearing.
ReplyDeleteDude is smart. But he doesn't realize that he is not omniscient. nor does he deal with criticism from folks that also think, and are trained, or simply disagree with him.
His inferiority complex shows when his statements are questioned.
I agree 100%
DeleteLet's make a military analogy. In the hospital setting, doctors=officers (the MD degree = commission; it doesn't make you smarter or better, but it gives you certain privileges and certain responsibilities the enlisted don't have); nurses=non-coms, say E4 and above.
DeleteIn that analogy, Aesop is like a senior NCO. He's an actual nurse (not an aide or EMT) and has been at it for decades. From what I can tell, he knows his nursing shit (which overlaps partially with, but is also enough different from my cardiologist shit that I can't vet everything). He certainly has enough anecdotes about funny, weird, disgusting, incredibly sad, and truly inspirational events and patients that I'm convinced he's BTDT. I would have no trouble about being his patient. (That said, I wouldn't want to be ANYONE'S patient in SoCal right now.)
Being a nurse does not make him a specialist, nor does it make him an expert in infectious disease, nor an epidemiologist. Nor does it make him an expert in disease control, nor a statistical genius. Nor supply logistics. He seems to have a very narrow and limited understanding of how things work, but purports to be an expert, and goes apeshit when anyone questions his statements.
DeleteI think the comment that he overhears things and doesn't fully understand them but repeats them anyway is spot-on.
Aesop's problem is that he has an overinflated sense of superiority. He is ignoring all of the recent data (Santa Clara County, LA County, Boston, Chelsea et al) indicating the Kung Flu is much, much more widespread than the 'official' estimates thought. Therefore the mortality rate is much, much lower - akin to a bad flu virus. Denninger has been pounding the table on this for nearly 2 weeks now and backing it up with data. Aesop is simply wrong but won't admit it.
ReplyDeleteConditions in Communist China and in Northern Italy (which has become Communist China West in all but name) are not reliable examples to base the US response to the Corona-Wuhan Virus.
DeleteExcept in New York City. Where civic leaders lied and denied as bad or worse than the ChiComs or ItalComs.
The rest of the nation? Meh. It's just a seasonal flu.
And he can't stand it.
Aesop's problem is that he has an overinflated sense of superiority.
DeleteThat's often over-compensation for a deep sense of inferiority, though of course who really knows? All I do know is that if he behaved in person the way he gets online, he'd be lucky not to get decked on a fairly regular basis if he mouthed off to people who don't give a shit about assault charges. Online, he comes across as a nasty piece of work to anyone who dares disagree with a pronouncement of his. The signal-to-bile ratio of Aesop is just too damned low to bother with now. He needs to find some other more constructive outlet for his frustrations instead of being Ye Compleat Online Asshole.
Does anyone here know for a fact that Aesop is a real person, and not some drone at NSA or elsewhere churning out propaganda in support of the statist-globalist narrative? Just askin'....
ReplyDeleteSee Mike_C's comment above.
DeleteI know of two readers of mine that have met and had dinner with him. Yes, he is a real person.
Love be the irony of that comment from an Anonymous Troll wondering if someone is real or not...😂😂😂😂
DeleteAesop is a real person, start there. I will go along with "working a lot of hours in a life threatening environment." I will also add as a freebie from Grandpa - and remember this - "I am not you. Things will be easier to understand when you get that." Then,
DeleteI will also add, that the flames and biting discourse are perfect examples of why "Team Liberty" will not get its shit together, unite, and fix this fucked up country... we are having far too much fun sitting on the couch and being critical of each other. Read Aesop, or don't. Read Kenny, or don't. Read me, or don't. I honestly don't give a rat's ass. But I will tell you this - all of you fuckers have more important shit to do than this. People need to know what you know, they need to learn what you can teach. A lot of them are in your area of influence and operation, some may be in your family. Years ago, all these blogs we read were ways to share info, best practices, and institutional memory. Now, sadly, our blogs have taken us back to elementary school, and they show our communist enemy that we likely will never unite, and get our shit in one sock. Sorry for the lecture. Carry on.
Very good observation, Sir.
Delete(No, I'm a different anonymous troll...)
When did he begin using the royal WE instead of I? I noticed it a couple days ago, has it always been there and just not noticed before?
DeleteWhat I think about this, and don't see much of from people of Faith, is that God knows your Life. Which brings the question that you get up in the morning & think you're making decisions that could possibly add or subtract from the date and time of your passing that God Knows. Which would mean it does not matter if you are 1 foot or a mile from someone, it will not change the moment God says you are done. Too simple an outlook? Like Steven Wright says "Isn't all death Sudden?"
Jerry
I find his rants to be annoying as well.
ReplyDeleteIf you disagree with him you are called an idiot or worse
Some people need for there to be an end to the world as we know it and the most important thing for their perception of themselves is to say, "I told you so!" It's not a Messiah complex, more like a second-in-command complex.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Eaton Rapids Joe. Aesop said early on he would be really happy if he was wrong. My wife and daughter are both RNs at hospitals in Michigan and CT. You only need to hear about the details of intubation, pink froth and death once to know this was serious crap. 25 year old kid my son knows at Western Mich died from this. I'm happy Aesop was wrong so far, but I bet he is too. Haven't been on his site for a week or two to read what he's saying, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for his predictions.
ReplyDeleteTo those who fit a very narrow set of parameters, Corona-Wuhan is death on wheels.
DeleteAnd, in reality, as soon as someone goes on a vent for any reason, you're looking at someone attempting to cheat death. Intubation in any situation, from general surgery to choking on interstitial pneumonia, is risky. Which the medicos have always downplayed.
Get hit hard by Corona-Chan, she will mess you up. Most people don't even know they have it.
Now there's lots of circumstantial evidence that a lot of people have had it for months starting in late December/early January. Lots of people have complained of a non-seasonal flu flu-like illness that just hung on. Doctors treated the symptoms, and most survived, before the Wuhan Warning took over.
"You only need to hear about the details of intubation, pink froth and death once to know this was serious crap."
DeleteI am of the opinion that there was more than one strain introduced to make sure the proles are terrified enough. Enough of one milder strain to make the numbers look apocalyptic, another more virulent strain to make sure there are some body bags to show on TV.
I did read somewhere that the folks who know about this stuff claim there are 8 different strains. Take it for what it's worth. Gates of Vienna posted an interview with a French Noble prize winner(French virologist Luc Montagnier)who states that, without a doubt, Covid19 was engineered in a lab. It has RNA fragments of HIV and SARS, which could NOT be naturally occurring.
DeleteAgree.
DeleteWe're up to 31 strains now (based on aChiCom scientist, of all sources!).
Strain in Italy and NYC are the same, hence why so deadly in those 2 places.
I don't know who Aesop is, but I am done trying to explain to idiot libtards (but I repeat myself...)
ReplyDeleteabout how these test results are good news, because it quite dramatically lowers the fatality percentage. I actually saw one of the CNN reporters tell the President that it was bad, because it means more people are out here spreading the disease! (No, genius, they are talking about people who had it and are now over it without ever showing symptoms)
The thing I never got about the criticism of the Richmond rally was that those folks rallying didn't keep anybody from doing something useful. Aesop came up with some good ideas for useful stuff to do, and the folks who went to Richmond didn't keep any of those useful things from happening.
ReplyDeleteFolks gonna do what they wanna do, not what some central scrutinizer tells them to. The people who went to Richmond weren't wasted resources, because they were nobody's resource.
I was afraid Richmond would produce martyrs for the cause, and glad it didn't.
I read him regular on his ebola stuff. Made sense.
ReplyDeleteRead him regular for the Richmond event, him and quite a few other that I regularly follow went off the deep end over it. Never said oops, not one of them.
After Richmond I still hit his blog semi-regularly but always with a huge salt shaker next to the pc.
He has become unreadable since the kung flu kicked in.
I thought maybe it was just me, but I guess not. I figure him being an er nurse with opinions and having to follow orders from doctors and administrators at work who think differently than him and has made him a bit edgy when in his blog/world.
Kinda sad really.
And here I thought I was the only one. Aesop jumped the shark a while ago and it’s only gotten worse as reality hasn’t panned out to his predictions. I used to read him quite regularly but, as many here have stated, it got painful to see the meltdown. Passionate? Sure. I’ve been passionate about things too. What I’ve never done is attack those who disagree with me and demand more proof than I’ve ever given. He did say he wanted to be wrong, well, so far he’s gotten his wish. I, and my family, have come out of this whole deal infected but alive. My toddler got the worst of it. Death, doom and gloom? Not so much.
ReplyDeleteAnyone fancy a dose of reality for this Covid insanity?
ReplyDeletehttps://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
The medical fraud alone should set alarm bells ringing in everyones heads.
It's what's coming AFTER Covid you have to worry about, which I've been screaming since January, and now we're seeing it all materialise....
Wow! Aesop?
ReplyDeleteI'm with most here. I followed a link from WRSA to Aesop's site, read a few posts and would go back from time to time when something looked interesting.
He lost me with the VA Lobby Day rally fiasco. I can understand warning people of the things that you think could go wrong, things to watch out for, things not to do, etc. But he was frothing at the mouth nutzo with the name calling and the not admitting he was sorry.
A little while after that is when I found out he was in CA, then that he was a nurse. Some dude from CA, where they can't freely carry guns without a bunch of permits and shit, telling everyone who is going to VA for a gun rights rally what they should do? Then getting all pissy and such when so many people didn't listen to him. But he also caused quite a few NOT to go with his asinine insults and doom.
LA county's population is 10.14 million (2016). There has been 13,816 coronavirus cases in that county. That is a piddling amount! There is no way that the hospitals there are overrun with covid cases! They are likely to look like so many others across the country at this time - pretty damn empty.
So, if Aesop is overworked and stressed, he must be the only nurse out there.
I don't believe anything he says any more, about anything. (by the way, did y'all see the nurses standing in the cross walk in front of the hospital in CO, blocking the protesters? I think it was on Saturday. Them bitches would have been run down!)
Also, there is a video out now called Hot Mic at the White House. 2 guys setting up for the press conference talking about not needing a mask. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=_dB-H2viCYc&fbclid=IwAR1Vs_dR4n18PkKtfLNUM0KbjPVp4GlQV9t42QCfYhgw4xQyz_kQFUa1lzE&app=desktop
sunny
Them bitches would have been run down?
DeleteYou, sir, are an assholes.
Why? They were blocking the street. Just cause they are wearing those magical scrubs - which have replaced those magical blue uniforms the JBT's wear - doesn't make them heroes. I'm in my car driving down the street PROTESTING and they step out there in the road, they deserve what they get.
DeleteAnd I'm neither a sir nor an assholes (sic)
sunny
INteresting...I stopped in at Aesops place for the first time is a moth or more.
ReplyDeleteI like how, while he is a Nurse, he is also an expert on lots of the things, like statistics and logistics and a bunch of other stuff because he did shit like thta before he became a nurse or something....but the rest of us must be idiots...none of the rest of us could be as broadly educated or experienced as he is, nor as intelligent, nor as widely informed because we aren't Aesop nor are we Certified Medical Professionals....so we can't possibly know anything about his specialty (nursing, BTW, not epidemiology nor disease) nor have as wide a spread of knowledge as the Great Aesop.
The rest of us are just too stupid.
Aesop has been a most valuable source of info on several topics for me, and thusly spurred me to get well positioned for the peripheral effects of this rodeo. I am grateful for any info from anyone on any topic.
ReplyDeleteHave been scorned by Aesop before for a factual benign comment about Californians and their influx into the formerly great state of Colorado. Can live with that, he is a bit thin skinned on his dysfunctional tribe over there....
Contrast that with Wire cutter who, is a humble blogger who can get to where he's going with slack reins and a usually gentle demeaner, AND if possibly wrong or just needing to rein back a mite, has apologized, like a gentleman, witness MVB years ago. Aesop is cocaine and Wirecutter is like a soothing well sought out doobie. Thanks WC for your blog, sir. soapweed
Been there, done that. Told that I must be an idiot for not realizing that his 2-minute Google search about my home state (of which he apparently knew little to nothing about before then) must take precedence over what I've seen happening with mine own eyes over a 35-year period with Californians with money to spare from selling their ridiculously over-priced homes on the coast and buying up land and property in a pretty damned nice location if you like having four real seasons, skiing, fishing, and hunting. But why would anyone in the coastal Cali paradise want to move to the sticks? Of course, some are purely seasonal. He completely ignored the exodus of young people leaving to find jobs elsewhere since mining is mostly gone, timber is scaled way back, and farming pays beans. That outflow almost matches the inflow. Of course, I'm sure that only means that those who stayed must be really dumb. My brother-in-law has much the same attitude. He grew up in Marin County, and the only reason people live in flyover country is pretty much because their ancestors were too stupid or economically trapped by their stupidity to move to California. Although Aesop seems to think that if your ancestors were too dumb to move to Cali before the Okies (and then the hippies, and pretty much most people since before 1930), they should've been kept out. And then fervently hopes that all the states being Californicated by fleeing locusts (which by no means means all Californians, but enough to give the rest a bad name) get utterly ruined by them. Aesop needs to combat his demons (frustration, anger, and whatever the fuck else), not display them like a flasher online. I used to overlook the worst of his tendencies, but it's just not worth it, really. God knows I'm far from perfect, but shit, at least I can admit when I'm wrong. If not in a heated discussion, then later. But he's like the little guy who goes into a bar amd picks fights. He imagines himself as Dr House, when he acts more like Nurse Ratched.
DeleteFYI, he's posted a lengthy rebuttal.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't seem to address the preceding points so much.
CC
I saw it. Like I said, I'm not going to get into a flame war with him.
DeleteI read his blog. Still do. A little cheesed off about having comments blocked. But there's a lot of jerks or there and I get the part about not wanting to wade through their verbal diarrhea to sift out the occasional nugget of truth in the comment.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed over my life that the smarter and more skilled the professional the less tolerant they are of the ignorant masses wandering around with an unattended leash... So I'll give him slack in that area. But I've also got experience and certifications. And certifications MEASURE THE BOTTOM BOUNDARY OF THE KNOWLEDGE BASE OR SKILL SET. And human nature plays a big part of this shit show. So yes Aesop is worth reading. But I put other facts into the equation. And he's right about people owning their words. If drink a beer with him if he every camethrough texas. Gonna be hard when there's no way to send an invite to him. No email, no drop box and rolling under an alias...
But hey Aesop, drop me a line or give blog membership. I'll still talk to you.
Fred, My feeling exactly. only he'd have to roll thru North East Ohio.
ReplyDeleteAs a multiply certed Paramedic, retired, I actually understand where he's coming from. LOTS of us have to kick a whole bunch MORE of us to make sure that the cert (regardless of which one, EMT-P, PALS, etc) doesn't stop at GETTING THE DAMN TICKET but USES that ticket to expand their working knowledge. (There is a WHOLE RANT that I use on that subject)
MY skills are different from his. I slide over towards Remote and Austere conditions medicine with a flavoring of tactical response. But I understand what he knows. And his epidemiology is spot on (oh yeah I got a couple epidemiology 200 level courses on my CV as well)
I just wish he had a drop box or email addy or someone who would pass on my request for an invite to his "team" so I could actually discuss with him.
BUT I suspect that we'll just have to wait through the current response which might taste like a snit, except I considered his reaction moderately justified.
chuck.rienzo@gmail.com
AKA "Night driver" in my own net pasture...
Hello ND. I read your comments over on TB2K. I used to be there till Dennis went all gestapo on me. I asked questions he didn't want answered nor even brought out in the open.
DeleteJust thought I'd say hello.
HELLO. :)
sunny
Aesop's rebuttal also missed something. In his Math For Common Core Grads post, he wrote this:
ReplyDeleteSo
a) the CFR is clearly one helluva lot higher than 0.1%
b) If we take the Rosiest Extrapolation Line, and 4% of New Yorkers have been infected, that would be 360-720K, depending on whether you want to count city dwellers, or the entire metro area.
c) 14.6K dead gives you a CFR for those two populations of between 2-4%. Color me shocked. No points for scrolling back a month or more, and see what exact guesstimated CFR I used to calculate potential casualties. {Hint: It was 3%.}
That's all fine and dandy, but one point of testing for antibodies is to look for the Infection Fatality Rate. We already know that there are asymptomatic infections, or infection where people weren't very sick and didn't bother to get a COVID-19 test or even a flu test (and due to the shortage of testing materials, a negative flu test hasn't been buying you a COVID-19 test unless you meet tighter criteria than owning a credit card.)
In a,b,c above, I think you just calculated the IFR, not the CFR, and the CFR has to be lower than the IFR (see 'asymptomatic'.)
But when you've got South Korea with a CFR of 2.2 and NYC at 10.4, you know you don't know enough. And you certainly do want to be careful about fucking up something you can't unfuck.
We do know New York state and NYFC are run by leftist to far-leftist idiots, and that may explain much. I think we're going to find out that this lockdown and suspension of a number of civil liberties was a treatment worse than the disease. It's not as though economic paralysis that will at least rival the Great Recession and likely be a full-blown Depression is without a cost in lives. Aesop scornfully mocks those who want to go back to work and businesses to re-open as "Let them eat cake" idiots in regard to coronavirus, but it's easy for an online asshole with decent pay and still getting a paycheck to sneer at people facing ruin because of lost pay, lost jobs that may not come back for months or years, especially because the longer this goes on, the more small businesses will go bankrupt. Seems to me Aesop is the one with the "Let them eat cake" attitude. After all, those people were too dumb to make a decent wage and/or have enough savings to ride out not just a month or two lockdown and lost income, but at least several more months of economic disruption. You can he's not worried about possibly losing house, car, etc., and that anyone who is, well, they probably deserve it. Not to speak of what this is doing to the national deficit and state government finances. Even the Californicating Cali.gov is waking up to the fact that they are losing a lot of tax revenue from this, and have no idea what they're going to do.
DeleteI'm sorry guys. I read all blogs with an open mind, sort through what's said, and make up my own mind. I try to be respectful when making comments without calling someone a name in order to make my point. I love Mr. Kenny and I love Mr. Aesop and will continue to read both. The waters are indeed troubled and soon we'll need friends as never before. I fear what's coming!
ReplyDeleteHe responded to you directly this morning, WC. More of the same, just on and on.
ReplyDeleteHope he's OK.
I saw it. I'm all butt-hurt now.
Delete...you'll be ok, brother. apply medicinal Bourbon. See? I can prescribe stuff as well!
DeleteAs a side note, Aesop's response to the calls for lifting the lock-downs was to respond with Hitler genocide memes and asking "How many people are you willing to kill?"
ReplyDeleteMy thinking was how that approach was like the anti-gunners use of "How many children must die before you give up your guns."
In other words saying that you must accept my restrictions or the blood of any future deaths is on your hands.
It is sort of hard to counter that approach (which is why it is used).
I was still trying to work out how to post a response to the Hitler genocide memes and the "How many are you willing to kill?" question making a logical counter argument without sounding too snarky when he closed the comments.
Well, his blog, his rules.
Still, at some time we will have to lift the lock-downs, or stay locked down forever.
How and when to do this will have to be a managed risk. And anyone who decides to lift the lock-down, at whatever point in the future will be risking getting any COVID-19 related deaths that happen after the lock-down is lifted blamed on him or her, politics being what it is, especially these days.
It will have to be a generally agreed upon that the time has come to lift the lock-downs and that the risk is worth it, and to get there will take a lot of back and forth discussion. Calling people who have a different view Hitler is not something that is going to help people arrive at a reasonable consensus.
Somebody sent me those memes and a link and I just shook my head.
ReplyDeleteEvery Freedom loving American I know shudders at the thought of lock-downs and the attempt to take away our Civil Rights.
Agreed, let's go to work.
ReplyDeleteI must say I agree with Aesop's latest post on the Navy.
ReplyDeleteBeing a Chief in the Navy currently, I would disagree with Aesop. Not everything is made public.
DeleteRead the other day that several states have burned thru half of their unemployment compensation funding which is interesting since there is also a lot of anecdotal out there that many have applied but not seen anything.
ReplyDeleteAnother article said 50% of LA residents are unemployed now (?!). Today the senate majority leader McConnell suggested that states look into bankruptcy provisions to shore up their collapsing financial situation. And, the other day, large medical staffing companies and hospitals are instituting significant pay cuts, including ER doctors, because "non-essential" procedures are what actually pay the bills.
You can sometimes predict "second order effects"...but generally you cannot predict "third order effects" and that is where we are headed.