Lawyers for the family of a black man who was killed earlier this month following a confrontation with a white police officer say an independent autopsy confirms that he died from a single gunshot wound to the back of his head.
I say this all the time. Whenever I interact with the police (which used to happen a fair bit) I comply, be polite (but never say more than I absolutely have to) and generally try not to be an asshole. I've never been shot, beaten, or even more than detained for a few minutes. I've even been sent on my way when I probably should have been tossed in the drunk tank and had my car impounded.
If you're going to ignore every damn thing they tell you to do, and then actively start resisting and fleeing, you're gonna have a bad day and it has nothing to do with what color you are.
I saw the video(s) of this before I realized there was any controversy.
The dead man resisted every command by the officer from the very start, tried to flee, wrestled with the officer and when the officer tried to taze him, he grabbed the taser and eventually got it away from the officer, making himself an even greater threat. In possession of the taser, the dead man could have quite easily stunned the officer and killed him with his own weapon. It looked like a good shoot and the officer endangered himself quite a bit trying NOT to escalate the confrontation until he clearly had no choice.
There is video from the officer's body cam, the patrol car's camera and from the dead man's own passenger that pretty clearly shows all this.
It is unfortunate the shot was to the back of the head, because that in itself makes for a sensational story that is easily presented to look like an execution, but that is not at all how it was.
The single biggest mistake the cop made was to present the taser at arm's length, making it available for the dead man to grab. Should have had some sort of retention training and fired his taser from close in, and/or fired it the split second the dead man grabbed for it.
Evidently the deceased was driving without a license while on probation from a DUI, and the stop was for suspected stolen vehicle (plates did not match car).. More info at Shekel's web site: https://shekel.blogspot.com/2022/04/an-interesting-unmentioned-fact-about.html
It is clearly and plainly obvious the screen grabs included in the linked article are deliberately used by the reporting agency to mislead and incite. This is not just about expired tags or no paperwork for the registration. Understand the car shown in the traffic stop had plates from a different vehicle on it--the plates on the car at the time of the stop were not for that vehicle; the officer clearly states such as the reason the for the stop. Watching the video captured by a passenger in the same car driven by the suspect that was pulled over for having plates from another car on it, one can observe the following events in the eleven seconds leading up to the discharge of the officer's firearm: The suspect gained control of, and removed the taser from the officer conducting the stop during the struggle created by the suspect after the suspect chose to run from the officer. During the struggl, the taser is clearly visible in the suspect's right hand. The officer's left hand was fighting for control of the taser held by the suspect's right hand. The officer commands the suspect to release the taser. As the struggle continued, the officer uses his right hand to remove his duty weapon from its holster. The officer commands the suspect to release the taser. The officer moves his left hand to the suspect's left armpit. The officer appears to place his duty weapon in the back of the suspect. The suspect heaves up and to his right in a crouch/kneel position from a prone position. The officer appears to lift his full body weight onto the back of the suspect in an apparent effort to force the suspect back down into a prone position. The officer's left hand moves to the suspect's left shoulder. The officer pushes himself up off the suspect who remains in a crounched/kneeling position. The officer's duty weapon appears to be located between the suspect's should blades and it is not pointed at the suspect's torso, but forward as it discharges towards the back of/base of the suspect's skull. The officer did NOT have his hand on the back of the suspect's head during the discharge of the officer's firearm-it was located on the left suspect's left shoulder at that moment; if the officer's hand was on the base of the suspect's skull at the time of discharge, the officer would have suffered a round entering the back of his hand and exiting the palm towards the suspect's skull. The officer's firearm did not touch the back of the suspect's skull until AFTER the single and only shot was discharged by the officer's duty weapon as the suspect's resistance to/struggle with the officer ended with the round entering his skull. As the suspect went limp, the officer's shooting hand/duty weapon slid down and toward the base of the suspect's skull.
...and, the powers that be have charged the officer with murder. important aspects to note: +Lyoya had three (03) outstanding warrants at the time he fled the traffic stop (one open warrant was due to a domestic violence incident in April (note he died on 04-April), another open warrant was issued in April for failure to appear/pay and another open warrant for Lyoya fleeing a traffic crash--so the deceased has a history of fleeing the scene); +Lyoya's autopsy revealed his blood-alcohol concentration was more than three (03) times the legal limit (so the deceased was driving while intoxicated and had passengers in his vehicle--a vehicle with plates from a different vehicle); +Lyoya was operating the vehicle on a revoked license at the time of the traffic stop due to revocation in March for a third (3rd) substance abuse conviction in 10 years. ...but the deceased was such a contributing member of the community and was ever the law abiding citizen and only afraid of the mean police...good riddance to a piece of shit that was clearly a drain on society overall.
ANYONE who believes things happen “instantaneous “ are idiots (in my book)
Multiple studies out there to show eyes seeing/brain interpreting a threat and telling the body to engage taking as long as 1 sec (1 study showed ¾ seconds and TX DPS showed ⅔ second - each of these were controlled studies meaning the subject was expecting “something”)
By the same token, it also takes ~1 sec (or faster depending on studies cited above) for the eyes seeing / brain registering threat no longer a threat and to disengage. This is why so many get shot in the back or side (if in car).
IF evidence shows otherwise, then prosecute. IF NOT, then it gets listed as a good shoot …….
There were shitstirrers re-enacting the confrontation...only during the re-enactment the Dindu Nuffin was laying face down peacefully with his hands behind his back.
Which narrative do you think “they” will believe.
Besides...midterms are coming up so they got to get the base motivated ie burn and riot,
No city in the US could pay me enough to want to be an officer. What kind of person would even want to do that kind of work? Makes no sense to me. The inmates run the asylum and you wanna be a cop? No thanks. I'd rather wash trucks at the truck-o-mat. Ohio Guy
I lived GR years ago. It used to be a very safe, gentile, prosperous city. But that was before the inward "migration" began, of course. Funny how they only wheel out the fossil Dr. Werner Spitz when they need someone to make autopsy findings that fit the narrative.
Well duh, if you watched the video, you would have already come to that conclusion....
ReplyDeleteDid not think that fact was contested? LOL Idiots, play stupid games....
ReplyDeleteWish they would advocate to stop resisting (real resisting) or fighting the police.
I say this all the time. Whenever I interact with the police (which used to happen a fair bit) I comply, be polite (but never say more than I absolutely have to) and generally try not to be an asshole. I've never been shot, beaten, or even more than detained for a few minutes. I've even been sent on my way when I probably should have been tossed in the drunk tank and had my car impounded.
DeleteIf you're going to ignore every damn thing they tell you to do, and then actively start resisting and fleeing, you're gonna have a bad day and it has nothing to do with what color you are.
Guess I'll go load some mags.
ReplyDeleteI saw the video(s) of this before I realized there was any controversy.
ReplyDeleteThe dead man resisted every command by the officer from the very start, tried to flee, wrestled with the officer and when the officer tried to taze him, he grabbed the taser and eventually got it away from the officer, making himself an even greater threat. In possession of the taser, the dead man could have quite easily stunned the officer and killed him with his own weapon. It looked like a good shoot and the officer endangered himself quite a bit trying NOT to escalate the confrontation until he clearly had no choice.
There is video from the officer's body cam, the patrol car's camera and from the dead man's own passenger that pretty clearly shows all this.
It is unfortunate the shot was to the back of the head, because that in itself makes for a sensational story that is easily presented to look like an execution, but that is not at all how it was.
The single biggest mistake the cop made was to present the taser at arm's length, making it available for the dead man to grab. Should have had some sort of retention training and fired his taser from close in, and/or fired it the split second the dead man grabbed for it.
Ed
Evidently the deceased was driving without a license while on probation from a DUI, and the stop was for suspected stolen vehicle (plates did not match car).. More info at Shekel's web site:
ReplyDeletehttps://shekel.blogspot.com/2022/04/an-interesting-unmentioned-fact-about.html
A democrat is president -- that greatly reduces the odds of a riot. George Soros is not likely to pay for people to come out to a riot.
ReplyDeleteIt is clearly and plainly obvious the screen grabs included in the linked article are deliberately used by the reporting agency to mislead and incite.
ReplyDeleteThis is not just about expired tags or no paperwork for the registration. Understand the car shown in the traffic stop had plates from a different vehicle on it--the plates on the car at the time of the stop were not for that vehicle; the officer clearly states such as the reason the for the stop.
Watching the video captured by a passenger in the same car driven by the suspect that was pulled over for having plates from another car on it, one can observe the following events in the eleven seconds leading up to the discharge of the officer's firearm:
The suspect gained control of, and removed the taser from the officer conducting the stop during the struggle created by the suspect after the suspect chose to run from the officer.
During the struggl, the taser is clearly visible in the suspect's right hand.
The officer's left hand was fighting for control of the taser held by the suspect's right hand.
The officer commands the suspect to release the taser.
As the struggle continued, the officer uses his right hand to remove his duty weapon from its holster.
The officer commands the suspect to release the taser.
The officer moves his left hand to the suspect's left armpit.
The officer appears to place his duty weapon in the back of the suspect.
The suspect heaves up and to his right in a crouch/kneel position from a prone position.
The officer appears to lift his full body weight onto the back of the suspect in an apparent effort to force the suspect back down into a prone position.
The officer's left hand moves to the suspect's left shoulder.
The officer pushes himself up off the suspect who remains in a crounched/kneeling position.
The officer's duty weapon appears to be located between the suspect's should blades and it is not pointed at the suspect's torso, but forward as it discharges towards the back of/base of the suspect's skull.
The officer did NOT have his hand on the back of the suspect's head during the discharge of the officer's firearm-it was located on the left suspect's left shoulder at that moment; if the officer's hand was on the base of the suspect's skull at the time of discharge, the officer would have suffered a round entering the back of his hand and exiting the palm towards the suspect's skull.
The officer's firearm did not touch the back of the suspect's skull until AFTER the single and only shot was discharged by the officer's duty weapon as the suspect's resistance to/struggle with the officer ended with the round entering his skull.
As the suspect went limp, the officer's shooting hand/duty weapon slid down and toward the base of the suspect's skull.
...and, the powers that be have charged the officer with murder.
Deleteimportant aspects to note:
+Lyoya had three (03) outstanding warrants at the time he fled the traffic stop (one open warrant was due to a domestic violence incident in April (note he died on 04-April), another open warrant was issued in April for failure to appear/pay and another open warrant for Lyoya fleeing a traffic crash--so the deceased has a history of fleeing the scene);
+Lyoya's autopsy revealed his blood-alcohol concentration was more than three (03) times the legal limit (so the deceased was driving while intoxicated and had passengers in his vehicle--a vehicle with plates from a different vehicle);
+Lyoya was operating the vehicle on a revoked license at the time of the traffic stop due to revocation in March for a third (3rd) substance abuse conviction in 10 years. ...but the deceased was such a contributing member of the community and was ever the law abiding citizen and only afraid of the mean police...good riddance to a piece of shit that was clearly a drain on society overall.
ANYONE who believes things happen “instantaneous “ are idiots (in my book)
ReplyDeleteMultiple studies out there to show eyes seeing/brain interpreting a threat and telling the body to engage taking as long as 1 sec (1 study showed ¾ seconds and TX DPS showed ⅔ second - each of these were controlled studies meaning the subject was expecting “something”)
By the same token, it also takes ~1 sec (or faster depending on studies cited above) for the eyes seeing / brain registering threat no longer a threat and to disengage. This is why so many get shot in the back or side (if in car).
IF evidence shows otherwise, then prosecute. IF NOT, then it gets listed as a good shoot …….
"unarmed, lying on the ground"
ReplyDeleteTheir definition of "lying on the ground" and mine don't match up.
There were shitstirrers re-enacting the confrontation...only during the re-enactment the Dindu Nuffin was laying face down peacefully with his hands behind his back.
ReplyDeleteWhich narrative do you think “they” will believe.
Besides...midterms are coming up so they got to get the base motivated ie burn and riot,
Bring it! Let's get this dance started "with a bang".
ReplyDeleteNo city in the US could pay me enough to want to be an officer. What kind of person would even want to do that kind of work? Makes no sense to me. The inmates run the asylum and you wanna be a cop? No thanks. I'd rather wash trucks at the truck-o-mat.
ReplyDeleteOhio Guy
If he is black , he is right.
ReplyDeleteI lived GR years ago. It used to be a very safe, gentile, prosperous city. But that was before the inward "migration" began, of course.
ReplyDeleteFunny how they only wheel out the fossil Dr. Werner Spitz when they need someone to make autopsy findings that fit the narrative.