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Thursday, October 26, 2023

Commentary: The Incandescent Ban and the Lie of LED Efficiency

It happened as I went to grab a new package of baby wipes from under the sink. I flipped on my bathroom light, and I noticed something strange—one of my three mirror light bulbs began flickering and ultimately settled at a barely luminous dim setting.

My LED light went out.

The problem is, I changed that light bulb around a month ago as memory serves. Aren’t LED lights supposed to outlast the heat death of the universe or some unbelievably long amount of time?

30 comments:

  1. Another scam, like the EV bullshit, perpetrated on the public in the name of saving the planet from the horrific "Climate Change". Why does this crap get traction? Because the masses are non-thinking, emotionally reacting sheep kept in constant fear of losing their lives by the critical thinking, control-freak, sociopathic elites.

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  2. No, they don't last and the curlycues before didn't last either, though there's a pair in my bathroom which have been there since well before LED's. That flickering when they start to fail drives my dog crazy. We finally put some incandescents in the garage because they're way up and I don't want to pay an electrician to come replace them.

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  3. LED bulbs ARE more efficient and will last years longer than incandescent bulbs provided you have a filter on your electric service that will give you pure sinusoidal 60 cycle current with no peaks or surges of voltage. That's how they are tested in the laboratories. Those devices cost only a few thousand, so every home should have one. Of course, if you have any motors or inductive load from any appliances in your home, the filter will be rendered useless.

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    1. I'm thinking at this point every bulb in my house is led, I have no filter and I have had no problems with the bulbs.... I've also noticed that overall they do last longer than incandescent bulbs and are unfortunately more expensive...
      JD

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    2. Soooooo... in reality they are NOT more efficient.

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  4. I think the demise of the incandescent was several factors. 1. Manufactures wanted to offshore production of lightbulbs as some incandescent were made in the US. This would also force you to buy a higher priced item. 2. The is an army of govt beaurocrats who want to control your life. They will nit pick every aspect of your life and figure out how to control it. 3. China wanted more products to produce to keep their economy churning. They pay our congressmen accordingly.

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  5. Get used to it once you are forced to buy an EV. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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  6. I had the same problem with a LED light I put in my kitchen stove hood light socket. I installed it to replace a mini fluorescent that had burned all day for years, but finally succumbed to worn out.

    The LED light looked like an incandescent as it had a similar profile; opaque roundish bulb like appearance. It lasted about four hours. I brought it back to the store and they replaced it. The replacement lasted about the same amount of time. I brought that one back to the store and they refunded my money. Common denominator: made in China.

    I went back to a mini fluorescent in that light socket. I have those in all the rest of my light fixtures.

    I find the mini fluorescent's that emit light in the "daylight" spectrum provide light that I like.

    Nemo

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  7. It is actually worse.

    A fluorescent tube covers 360° and therefore the light reflects from a white ceiling.

    A led tube covers only 120°.

    Go figure.

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  8. I agree LED lights are failing faster then old filament lights. Seems that once they get us changed to the higher priced LED then the kill the time they last.

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  9. LEDs in cold climates are not useful. The lack of heat causes snow to accumulate on LED traffic signals and blocks them rendering them useless. Same thing happens on LED headlamps.

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    1. One enterprising person in Europe started selling High Efficiency, Low Temperature Space Heaters :)

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    2. Yeah, it was hilarious when the town changed out the traffic lights with LED's. Everything was great that New England summer and fall, then winter. Every intersection in town that had traffic lights that faced the northeast had the signals covered solidly with ice and snow. Since they had replaced the entire signal they couldn't just plug the old blubs back in. I understand they found a way to install heaters in each traffic signal.
      And the total energy savings was.... ?.... Anyone?

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  10. Some seem to last forever - https://www.insider.com/household-items-gadgets-lasted-longer-than-expected-2020-4

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  11. Don't get me started on those pieces of crap , they suck for aquarium use.

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  12. The curly fluorescent lights that were originally made in USA and Canada would outlast the incandescent light bulbs. The Chinese made ones usually didn't.
    When I buy the cheapest LED bulbs they don't seem to last all that long. I bought some more expensive ones and that batch seems to be holding up better.

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  13. I've found frequent on/off shortens the life of LED and curly bulbs. That means motion detectors, garage door openers, bathroom and stairway lights. I get 4 years from LED outdoor lights that run 12 hours a day, which lasted 9 months with incandescents.

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  14. Years ago we bought around 80 100W bulbs. Still have around 20.

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  15. Guess I’m swimming upstream here. Most bulbs in my house are LEDs and I like them. A million years ago, I worked in a laboratory matching colors. We used a light box with every known light source, so I am keenly aware of the differences. Even last week, my office fluorescent fixture died. It was replaced with an LED and it’s just fine by me.

    Furthermore, most new cars have LED headlights and they are far superior to their predecessors, in my opinion.

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    1. Unless you are driving towards you coming the other way, then they are blinding. Some cars I'd like to shoot out their damn headlights.

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  16. Back in 2012 I swapped out all our regular bulbs for screw in LED bulbs. At that time they were about $20 each. Paid for themselves in a year through a lower electric bill and I've only replaced one since.

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  17. Most of the LED lights I bought died a fiery death. The foam ceiling tiles are melted above a few of the light fixtures.

    I generally got three to six months out of an LED, no matter how much it cost. I started writing the install date on the base with a felt tip just to keep track of them.

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  18. Planned obsolescence, folks. The early LEDs were built very well, to prove the concept. Now that they are manufactured in mass production, the cost cutting / corner cutting commences, and guess what? They aren't as well made anymore.

    Had my washer fixed this morning. About 10 years+ old. Asked the guy which model I should select when this one eventually craps out. He looks at me, shakes his head. All crap, 'commercial' type models are no different than standard. Expect only ~5-7 years out of any modern washer, and then it will have a serious failure that will likely require replacement. Plus they don't clean as well because the new ones have a water restriction and won't even fill the tub. And most of the tubs are smaller. Ergo: Your clothes won't be as clean. But hey! The Congressman gets to say they 'saved the environment'.

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    1. My mother got a new washer and dryer in 1970. She used it until 1990-ish, when she persuaded my dad that she absolutely had to have a different color. She gave them to my brother, who used them to 2010, then sold them when his wife wanted some more "modern" appliances.

      I bet they're still working.

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  19. New washing machines have computers that often can NOT be repaired so I buy non computer washing machines cheap at estate sales

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    1. I bought a front loading GE high end steam washing machine. It worked for three years and then the tub stopped rotating. The main gear for the tub was made out of cheap plastic. The repair tech told me that it wasn't worth fixing because the plastic main gear was not available by itself. I had to purchase a complete set of parts which included a new tub. Why in the hell would you put a plastic main gear on a $1500 steam washer????

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    2. Don't get me started... john deere d110 has a mfkin plastic transmission... fk! Got 148 hrs out of that pos (good news, bought used for $800 at 53 hrs but still)

      ch

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  20. The LED itself usually will, if given the proper supportive circuitry. The issue is that all the supportive circuitry and the absolutely essential heatsink for it are built as cheaply as possible. Typically, the protective thermistor or the driver itself fails...typically because they overheat.

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  21. Makes me wonder if there is another Phoebus Cartel operating these days.
    They did do good in that they standardized the screw base for bulbs but they also set the lifetime and fixed prices.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

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  22. "Good ideas don't require force."

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